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The CW forum has such a terrible vibe at the moment: whine whine whine. It's hard not to make a few pointed jabs yourself but that would just pump their bitter thread to the top again....

And this mornign the reason why there are so many whining hounds over there struck me. It's so obvious I'm amazed it hasn;t hit me before:

Most amateur computer-based musos use warez. There's a crack for every software based music program I can think of. I've seen them, friends have them, they're traded, easy to find, run OK and cost nothing. What would you like: Reason, Reaktor, Acid, Nuendo, Cakewalk, Waldork and Pro plugs etc etc.

But not with Creamware. If you don;t have the card then forget it. You can't simulate a DSP card.

And so that's why there are so many angry people on that forum. How often do you see people complaining about how much money they've spent ? That's because with all their other programs they haven't spent anything. Now a few errors on a free copy of Nuendo, or the Waldorf plug or Cakewalk is OK. But errors on something you just paid a big chunk of money for ! Horrors ! Unfair ! Something you pay for should be better than warez.

Obviously this doesn't explain all the grumpy posts but I think it is an important psychological factor. I think it also explains why Pulsar/Luna is less well-known - every CW user is a legitimate user, not just someone with a PC, some free time and a disk of cracked software.

cheers,
Spirit

That is possible. Also, a handful of angry people who decide to bash around make much more noise than a thousand people enjoying working with their stuff at home!...

That is indeed unfortunate, because those people are like agitators trying to justify their hatred by blaming who they find instead of setting to work to solve their problems...

Like many others I think, I don't hang there much anymore because of the destructive vibe... I rather spend my time here where I meet a lot of positive people like you...


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: eliam on 2002-02-08 20:33 ]</font>

I tried seeing who was most bitter, then listening to their work (on mp3.com). This explained a lot also, as a certain inverse proportionality was going on . Makes one appreciate the Z, where musical and technical know-how is not used for the dark side!

This sounds sensible.

I also suspect than many people have problems because they didn't expect that their crap amd+via combination can't cope with Creamware hardware... and because they don't want to or cannot bitch at their computer manufacturer, they aim their anger at Creamware... which is all too easy target.

I for one find all the criticism a bit over the top because since I got the initial problems solved out (which were not a fault of the actual hardware, but more of my own incompeteness and cheap computer hardware) I have been very happy with my setup.

Sure, there are few minor things here and there but I can live with them and honestly, I couldn't now imagine life without Creamware. It's a magnificent card.

Best regards,
cannibal

word.

people just seem to expect things to work these days like it was a video or a fridge.. a lot of people don't know how the hell to set up a computer or an OS, or even read a manual.. consumer culture at its worst.

They just WANT everything like it's their right. They just WANT to be able to be an engineer or computer musician without reading a manual or some theory on engineering or setting up computers.

Unfortunately, marketing which is 'economical with the truth' and this wonderful thing called capitalism just perpetuates the problems of the I WANT IT NOW culture. Warez is just a symptom of this. The music equipment industry works by making people drool over hardware and software that in most cases people don't even need.. warez gives people the opportunity to have them, at will.

As far as warez go, they're great in some ways (like being able to try out an expensive program properly before making an expensive purchasing mistake).. but the people who base their whole computer studios around them clearly need their heads examined... unless you have lots of time on your hands to hang around on IRC channels waiting for the latest fix of a bad paradox crack for a $20 VSTi, then its better to just stump up the cash. It is also quite logical that the people who seem to have the most problems are the most clueless or tight-assed - buying Via motherboards and stuff to save money and introducing themselves to a whole range of nightmares.

This is not to say that Creamware shouldn't fix bugs... this should be the highest priority of any company IMHO. However, Creamware is definitely trying... I've seen them do a lot over the last 2 years.

Anyway.. the people who really able to make music carry on doing this even in spite of bugs.. the people who can't carry on whining.

peace

i agree with most what you write here, but this is one side of medal!
i have studio and music is my job. i live on island and some my customers must travel about 3-5 hours with boat and some of them more with car and they must sleep in my home while working at my studio. this is not expensive studio and i'm just beginer but i alredady made few songs with some most popular singers and made no1 in my country and i have chanse to work with more of them.
in this situation "little bug" can make realy BIG problem.
imagine than you do 5 songs/project for somebody in older version of software and then he goes home and you instal new software and then you do another 5 songs/project for same person.
when he came again to finish, than you find that you can't do older projects with new software and can't finish new songs with older software.
than start anoying... times goes... you can't make decision what to do. change projects or change drivers and software all the time.... times go.... you do kompromise your self... from creamware you have only ignorance...
this must frustrating!!

uf, uf... puf... pant... sorry about tarzan's english!
sandro

sandrob - get Norton Ghost and an extra hard-drive, and you backup your entire hard-disk - that way you can save an old config (ie. pulsar 2.04a) for later 'resurrection.' if and when you need it. just a thought

thanks, algorhytm but i think that in this situations ghost can't help!? rather some good wizard... harry potter maybe

Sandrob- I'm not as close as a successful commercial musician as you are, but I really understand how you feel.. When money, timelimits, people are involved, inconsistancies in setup can reaally kill. I have to admit, that's why I keep with only mixing with Pulsar, cuz that portion usually works smoothly.. Sometimes I even finish a mix with dsp factory, simply because I work faster with it. The balance is hard to judge, depends on my mood and the scale of the job. Once I had a song to do in 3 days, when I just got my Pulsar2 running OS 2, it had so many crashes and what nots that I barely could keep it running.. That got me freaked out. But yes, making tiny, incompatible changes in the system is a big pain. Having to go from Samplitude to Nuendo during the middle of production got me in trouble once. hehe. (cuz I was dumb enough to upgrade my PC 2 days into production) After the change in setup tho, things have been much smoother.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: kensuguro on 2002-02-10 17:20 ]</font>

This surely can be frustrating... but... as a wise person said: "No outer condition, thing or person can disturb someone, unless that person gives it the power to do so."

Personnaly, I never criticize an angry person; I can only deplore that some people give way to such warring destructive emotions and comments, which we encounter sometimes... Unfortunate indeed, because it repels away people like Subhuman, who could be of invaluable help for those very people who need it most...

Peace to all of you... and everyone else...!

SandroB,
I can understand your problems, but an island studio sounds like a good life. The trip over for the musos might even be inspiring. "Travel by boat to Castle Sandro. Do you dare spend the night in the Studio of 1000 Plugs ?"

And your Tarzan English is very amusing

to avoid missundertanding i talk about 2 versions of pulsar software 2.04a and 3.0.
i had 2 major problems: "inserts saving bug" in rm242 and when i update sts3000 i loose my sts-device with full program pool. this about pool is my mistake because i didn't save program pool or make copy with ghost, but i didn't expect this.
when i find bug i report to cw even don't expect response - just for knowing. in the meantime cw make #3 updates and people goes mad because cw don't fix this and more because cw's ignorance. about week ago for first time cw said "yes, we know for bug and we "try" to fix it".
if nobody provocating it looks that cw will never fix some bugs?!
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa - english!!
sandro
"without deviating from the norm, progress
is not possible." - frank zappa

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: sandrob on 2002-02-11 02:09 ]</font>

For what it's worth :-

I don't use warez
I have had problems contacting CW help
There are some assholes posting shit for the sake of it
I have criticised their support
I do still feel strongly that their support could improve a great deal
I Love their products
Always recommend them
Want to help them get better and have discussed it with CW folks

My 2p / 2 cents

TB

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: topbanana on 2002-02-11 13:39 ]</font>

hi Sandro,
you consider yourself a pro, and obviously you are, as you're successful with your work. So you should be smart enough to realise you've made a mistake (like Ken and all of us once have - shit happens).
Today it's affordable to have a 2 complete system backups, if your job depends on it.
- the bug -
Imagine this (strange, virtual) case: the engine of your car has problems. The engineers say we can fix it, but the only way is to add 2 cylinders. You know that this means to effectively build up a new car. Something like that is quite common in software developement and the infamous 'insert bug' seems to fall right in this category. You could be Armand van Helden and they wouldn't fix it any faster, because it's simply impossible.
Everyone feels with you regarding the troubles during your work and next time you'll upgrade whatever system you'll shurely be very careful in advance, but constantly repeating you feel mistreated as a customer is ... not very useful.

i've got no problem with complaining to cw if there's trouble.the problem is that it's noisy on the USER forum and not cw e-mail or the cw EMPLOYEE'S forum.but oh well, planetz's nice anyway.

On 2002-02-08 17:59, wayne wrote:
...then listening to their work (on mp3.com). This explained a lot also, as a certain inverse proportionality was going on...

couldn't agree more
are they trying to increase their playback rate that way

I really like your ideas here Spirit and I tend to have thoughts along the same lines...

can't even get compatable with it's oldself.
actually that is why creamware can't push itself into professional choices.
working hard for the pass 2 years?
maybe
with passion?
who knows for those who reply email whenever they want for the pass 2 years.

for making PCI overload problem even worse in their V3. passion? who knows.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: dxl on 2002-04-11 18:22 ]</font>

are you saying me?

On 2002-02-08 16:13, Spirit wrote:
The CW forum has such a terrible vibe at the moment: whine whine whine. It's hard not to make a few pointed jabs yourself but that would just pump their bitter thread to the top again....

And this mornign the reason why there are so many whining hounds over there struck me. It's so obvious I'm amazed it hasn;t hit me before:

Most amateur computer-based musos use warez. There's a crack for every software based music program I can think of. I've seen them, friends have them, they're traded, easy to find, run OK and cost nothing. What would you like: Reason, Reaktor, Acid, Nuendo, Cakewalk, Waldork and Pro plugs etc etc.

But not with Creamware. If you don;t have the card then forget it. You can't simulate a DSP card.

And so that's why there are so many angry people on that forum. How often do you see people complaining about how much money they've spent ? That's because with all their other programs they haven't spent anything. Now a few errors on a free copy of Nuendo, or the Waldorf plug or Cakewalk is OK. But errors on something you just paid a big chunk of money for ! Horrors ! Unfair ! Something you pay for should be better than warez.

Obviously this doesn't explain all the grumpy posts but I think it is an important psychological factor. I think it also explains why Pulsar/Luna is less well-known - every CW user is a legitimate user, not just someone with a PC, some free time and a disk of cracked software.

cheers,
Spirit

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: dxl on 2002-04-11 18:25 ]</font>

maybe being nonerealistic is good but not all the time and not all people.
becasue we are all living in the reality.

i already have the legal right to charge whoever insult me by saying i'm sick, and saying untrue things.
i triger the fight but i have legal right to ask and post the honesty, real hardware specs and then critisize it and i never makeup anything to insult anyone.

no need to go on, but if you want to attack, come with more constructive apporach.

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