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P67 motherboards are using pcie to pci bridges that may impair on soniccore card's performance due to lower bandwidth . This test seems shed some light : http://techreport.com/articles.x/20190/10
showing a 30% decrease which may mean pci buss problems in real world situations . Any thoughts ?

yes. many of the newest motherboards are really neglecting the pci bus as it's now considered to be "legacy". fortunately, it's not necessary to have the absolute latest chipset to have a more than effective machine.

or buy an XITE...

since i am deciding which kind of chipset buy for my next upgrade, this is really and interesting question...

with LGA 1155 and h67 chipset, will i be able to reach 3 ms latency and a decent performance with reverbs and other S|C stuff??

or is the 1366 X58 chipset better than the H67??

the candidate MoBos are:

1366:
asrock x58 deluxe

1155:
intel DH67CL
asus p8p67


which will assure the best PCI performances with 3xS|C cards? (scope+pulsar1+luna)

i don't think anyone's done a definitive test yet. the pulsar1 likely negates any advantage that either motherboard may have. personally, i trust intel more than asrock. asrock has always been a second tier motherboard. i think X58/1366 is a better performing system, but that doesn't mean that you'll get more work done. i'm also not sure that the X58 is handling PCI traffic significantly better than the H67. i'd guess the implimentation is similar. as the article said, "why would anyone be using high volume pci cards? that's what pcie is for"...that's the attitude.

bosone, i would tend to think it'll be ok(i could be wrong, i'm not going to claim knowledge i don't have). you can't be getting very good performance at the moment with the p1 in there anyway. i do know that i've put a p1 in a 5520 based machine with a p1 in it and it worked fine(as well as it ever did in it's very old former home). it really depends on how you use it.

thanks for the support!
i also tried to mail S|C to ask if they have tested some system. i will let the community know the answer...

now, with my asus p4p800-e deluxe and P4 3.4 GHz i use 13 msec latency with no problems. i know it's high...
i can also go to lower latency but then if i use a lot of plugins in sonar 8.5 the CPU meters goes very high... i have fairly standard results with the "masterverb test"
after i bought the scope i can also set 3 msec latency but then i can load very few plugs or get low sample polyphony in sonar.

i just hope that with a new PC i will be able to use if not 3 msec 7 msec latency with no problems and no PCI overflows!

once again, it depends on how you use the system. if you must have many reverbs(more than 3 masterverbs or 1 sc plate) and delays(more than 6 or 7), there may be trouble. combining with the cpu and using some delays and reverbs in the sequencer would help. otherwise, i wouldn't expect any trouble. i would think that 4ms @44.1k would be very usable. if not, it'd be a setup issue.

be sure to disable any voltage stepping/cpu power management in the bios.

Knowing that pci cards will be floating around for some time I took some time and looked into the Asus motherboards .The link to the review I posted concerns the Asus P8P67 PRO which uses the Asmedia ASM 1083 CHIP which supports 3 pci lanes but the P8P67 DELUXE sports the ASM 1085 which supports 5 lanes and that may ,Im just speculating , provide higher bandwidth .So this and the fact that there are other chip makers ,TI Marvel etc,we might see an Improvement from Asus or other Motherboard manufacturers .Xite is the way to go but there will always be a SC pci card lying next to that old Fender Jazz .

Danny

Hey Guys,

I'm looking for a new DAW mobo for my 3 PCI (pulsar II) boards.
Probably i have to go for a X58 based mobo but i also found this one:

http://www.gigabyte.eu/products/product ... id=3654#sp

At this moment, i'm affraid nobody can tell us yet if a H67/P67 chipset will perform sufficient on PCI bandwidth with 3 PCI boards ( i know...it depends on how you use it inside SFP/XTC ).
If so, it would be very nice because the Sandy Bridge platform is cheaper and performs very well in general compared to the X58 platform.


Laterrr,
Miguel

I must correct myself in the following : The P8P67 WITH 3 PCI has the seemingly more generous ASM 1085 CHIP which seems logical .So it may seem that the rather humble 3 PCI motherboards may be the solution ....
Regards to all
Danny

Does anybody have experience already with the Asus P8P67 combined with 3 DSP boards ?

I just want to add here that the latest and best chipset from Mac and PC users is the Xeon 5500 series, and the X58 series.
Remember when chipsets told us which motherboard and CPU would work best...?
VIA and AMD were horrible.....NForce 3 for AMD was great but NForce 4 was a gaff...
If you are talking about making 2000 USD worth of soundcards a pleasant experience, don't ruin it by getting the newest " best " chipset with killer benchmarks, that usually are always gaming, and graphics...
Play it smart....buy the best you can, and right now the best for us happens to be the cheapest....
Also remember if you are using DAW and Sample based instruments like Kontakt.
The new Sandy Bridge chipsets were flawed, and even after they fix the SATA II bug, the GPU is built onto the chip now.
This means the GPU gets first crack at the memory.
So if you prefer great looking graphics, and audio secondary........go for it.

Thanks Jav,

It was just curiosity... if it would be 'sufficient' to run one or more S|C boards.
In the first place i made my choice on the X58 platform and was looking for the Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD4 (i NEED 3 x PCI).
Unfortunately this motherboard was only released in Asia (as far that i know).

So, i ordered this mobo on a Malaysian website.
After 3 weeks i contacted them by email and asked them if they did receive the payment.
But they said that they didn't receive any money
Now they have cancelled my order and ignore all of my emails trying to figure out what happened to the payment
My local bank told me that the transaction did not encounter any trouble(s)
...so i guess i've been scamed big time !

Anyway, in the end, X58 is a better choice for many reasons like QPI network, tripple memory channels, native PCI bridge etc.
I'm going to try to get this mobo anyhow...


Greets,
Miguel

Mi Estas Matondo................
I am sure you'll be fine unless you need a large realtime template.
Not everybody needs such large stuff, and Scope DSP cards worked on a P35 as good as they did on the X58...

Ode La..