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SATA Transfers via 1394b / 800 Firewire

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:38 pm
by dawman
I want to keep 4 x HDD's in a cage as I have done before, but have no first hand knowledge of how my performance w/ Gigastudio's streaming performance will be affected by using the firewire protocol.

My O.S. plus apps will be stored inside of an LCD Workstation which will help keep the DAW cool as it's spindle speed can be 7200rpm.

I will be using a JBOD config that will spread the sampled content across 3 x Raptors.

But would the firewire 800 slow down my current performance?

I do not trust the person selling the equipment, who claims it is perfect for audio..............Hmmmm, he didn't even know what Cubase was? &%$%^&

Thanks In Advance.

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:14 pm
by Neutron
why dont you ues e-sata?
firewire would be a waste of your raptors, it would only do about 40mb/sec instead of over 80 that raptors can do. plus overhead of the firewire back and forth conversion and it would fight for bandwidth with USB and network.

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:16 pm
by garyb
why do you even need such a thing except for the "wow" factor?

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:24 pm
by dawman
My case will not be a good choice for housing 4 x Raptors @ 10K rpm.

The noise w/o a RAID cage would be unacceptable, and then the heat would be intense, as the rear and side case fans are not located for the placement.

I am not into the WOW factor except for performance reasons.

Is there a way to run my SATA cables out to the rack?

Hell it's a sore dick deal and 1U is perfect.

Nice articles Stardust, thanks. :wink:

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:35 pm
by dawman
Here's an eSATA 1U rack but I can't find out the cost.

Here's what is needed w/ 4 x 3.5 " 150GB Raptors. The newer Raptors are fast but not necessary.

The JBOD config will spread the content over the drives evenly, and my O.S. HDD will still be the 74GB Raptor, whic can be dealt w/ by the side case fan. :wink:

The DP35DP has an eSATA interface, and so does the mATX DFI P45 board for when I upgrade next year.

This article explained things to me better..........http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-esata.htm

One interface w/ eSATA will transfer the data @ a high enough speed.

I doubt it will be 295 USD like the Mac box I showed.

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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:37 pm
by Neutron
Its a lot of stuff to fail. and if 1 disk in JBOD you have trouble getting the rest of the data.

why dont you just get 1 big and very slightly slower internal drive. it will save money. you can get 2 and have one in a small external box for backup.


quieter
less weight
less heat.
money saved to buy something that wont go obsolete in a couple of years.

i would get a seagate barracuda es2 which has good multi user performance (or multi audio streams in gigastudio) and a 32meg buffer. i think it might actually be better for audio than a raptor, which is more of a gamers single user drive.

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:08 pm
by dawman
Actually it's not going to be a JBOD config.

I found the perfect solution in eSATA.

I need this arrangement because of the way I spread my content across defragged drives.

I have many libraries and in Gigastudio I often stack the MIDI Mixers channels w/ multiple custom strings and horns from multiple libraries, The trouble is that when I have the same instuments I am stacking on the same drive, it is possible to have dropped notes due to the heads seeking 4 or 5 different sounds on the same drive.

So I take the horns and strings, for they require multiple libraries to pull off the results I desire, and have 4 string libraries on 4 separate drives.

Electric Pianos and Acoustuc libraries are very well done and require no such optimisations.

But VSL, SISS and other giant horn VSTi's and sample libraries must be seperated.

I always use a RAID cage w/o RAID being enabled. Hot swapping is cool too, and I will buy new HDD's for this rig and retire the others for Hot Swap spares, They will be updated from time to time w/ new content, but they should still last for years until we all are using SSD's.

I found a cheap eSATA 1U RAID enclosure that will not have the RAID enabled. It will simply use the mobo's eSATA port to connect to the 1U for a 4 x HDD array full of sampled content. The O.S. + Apps. HDD will reamin in the DAW.

I now know that this optimised way of storing my content means I can buy cheap SATA II large single platter drives. They are cheap, and the aerial density is now higher than 150GB's, so I can have less chances of a HDD failure from the heat of multi-platter configs.

Here's the 8U DAW pictures below, and the 1U enclosure for the SATA II HDD's.

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:48 pm
by Neutron
does that thing have a touch screen? who makes them?

if it did that would be ideal all in one for a controller PC for my CNC mill.
and probably enough space for the CNC electronics as well.

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:33 am
by dawman
I believe touchscreen is an option.

www.bsicomputer.com