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Would you buy one to use

1 Scope 15dsp board
2 UAD-1 DSP Cards (pci-e)
1 Lynx AES-16 Card

all together without having to run windows xp in Standard-PC mode unable to shut down and switch off the computer automatically?

Are some of the DP35DP's IRQs settable in the bios?

If this works I sell an almost new AGP 7600GS graphicscard btw for the interested

thanks for help - as you can see I will not buy a new (old) computer anymore, it is too much of a hazzle, and If I´m moving to work somewhere, I can bring my powerhouse in

thanks for some info
the board is nicely priced too...

tomylee

can't really comment on that specific board, but:

imho you should not run any modern mobo in standard mode
I recently did and it was a complete mess - PCI overload at the first reverb instance

I don't think the ACPI handling of XP can be influenced by any BIOS at all
that's just a guess by reason, but
as long as no vital part like the graph card or the disk controller shares with Scope problems are virtually non existent.
Imho only the Scope card is a critical piece of gear in this context, but only with a lot of Asio channels running through it - and of course with the usual heavy reverb suspects

I'd setup the PC, disable everything not absolutely necessary, install Scope
check if it works, then install the other 2 cards
check if that works, too - then enable whatever USB or network stuff may be required.
I'd never hold my breath on any version of Windoze but this way I'd assume the risk of havoc is fairly low...

cheers, Tom

yeah, its just that if it does not work, I´m messed up, and cant work...

Some guy from soniccore told me that there is no IRQ problem with the creamware cards, its just what chipset you use, so you can have a mobo which won't work well and others work fine. then he reccomended an asus with p35 chipset, and there would be no problems at all - well, it sounds incredible - but I thought with creamware cards there is a very special IRQ-Sharing problem, which does not apply to other cards like poco or uad, isnt't that true now or is it?

greets
tomylee

you WILL need to disable some shared resources with all motherboards if more than one card is involved. with one card, swapping to a different slot may fix the situation. it's really no big deal. yes, the p35 chipset is VERY good, the proven winners so far are intel and gigabyte.

tomylee wrote:...but I thought with creamware cards there is a very special IRQ-Sharing problem, which does not apply to other cards like poco or uad, isnt't that true now or is it?...

the difference is that the Scope card is real-time while the other ones always have an Asio buffer between data and processing.

Scope has an Asio buffer, too - but only on the sequencer side of things

if you plug a guitar into Scope's analog input, a reverb into a mixer channel and connect the analog output (your monitors) to the mixer out, then the reverb for the guitar will request a part of the mobo Ram.
The communication with this memory resource is required to run uninterupted, as there's no protective buffer (like the Asio one) in between.
For obvious reasons there cannot be any buffer for real-time processing...

the only problem that exists (in this context) is that you as the one in charge cannot tell that piece of crap of an OS what you consider important.
The thing will mess with all and every BS that ever left the retarded brains of it's makers

gosh, am I loaded when I picture it in front of my inner eye, Tom

astroman wrote:

tomylee wrote:...but I thought with creamware cards there is a very special IRQ-Sharing problem, which does not apply to other cards like poco or uad, isnt't that true now or is it?...

the difference is that the Scope card is real-time while the other ones always have an Asio buffer between data and processing.

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the only problem that exists (in this context) is that you as the one in charge cannot tell that piece of crap of an OS what you consider important.
The thing will mess with all and every BS that ever left the retarded brains of it's makers

gosh, am I loaded when I picture it in front of my inner eye, Tom

oh well, finally I got it. It took me quite some time to realize this very deep difference between the system - now it shines clear, buffers, yeah, why didn't I get this before, I think I´m getting old...!

Now I also understand the hatred on the OS - I heard with macs there is no problem, but I´m very very used and a bit skilled with PCs, so that´s no option for now

Well maybe it helps then to strip down that os completely, shut down many services, maybe even deactivate the systemtime/clock as I can hear it click on the audio outputs of my onboard sound ... but I also hear my mouse move there

I will probably wait for the new wolfdale dual cores on 45nm - in about 3 weeks you can get them here. They run much cooler than any 65nm dual core (at same clock rates) and thus will be easily overclockable, if you have good ram...

So the DP35DP will be nothing for overclockers, as it´s bios does not let you make any changes whether of fsb nor voltages - it´s not intended to be overclocked.

Now what would be interesting to me: would you reccomend a Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R over a DP35DP generally, do host all my cards? Or what is the stuff with the DP35DP, scope4live mentioned in another thread as being the last ones Intel would "ever release w/ 3 x 32bit PCI's." Does the GA-P35C-DS3R have something different?

Sorry for all this detail questions, but I just dont find that info on the manufatorers websites!

greets
tomylee