Hey All
I am about to build a new system, and my basic idea was something with heaps of power (i've been reading the other posts and have some ideas here)
and heaps of memory, minimum of 4 gig, when i mentioned this to a freind who is way more computer educated than me he told me to go over 4 gig you need to go 64bit, and asked me if my sound cards suported it.
My reply was "I have no idea"
So my question is do the scope cards support 64bit, (I have a pulsar II and Luna II running scope v4 if that makes a difference), or is there an updated driver i need to get?
Or do i even bother going more than 4 gig ram, will it actually do much for me?
I am trying to make this system as future proof as possible.
It's been quite a few years since i built a system so i'm playing catch up on the technology
Any advice would be appreciated
64 bit , 32 bit ?
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hubird
no 64 bit (native) support so far, but the new driver for Vista is announced by SC, so I think it'll be alright.
4 gig is in particular usefull if you use harddisk sample streaming like Giga does (correct me if I'm wrong guys), otherwise who wants to load 4 gig in a soft sampler?? doesn't work.
Of more concern is the PCI-e question, and even that is a matter of the right board, available for years as they expect.
4 gig is in particular usefull if you use harddisk sample streaming like Giga does (correct me if I'm wrong guys), otherwise who wants to load 4 gig in a soft sampler?? doesn't work.
Of more concern is the PCI-e question, and even that is a matter of the right board, available for years as they expect.
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hubird
Hi,
Or using windows 2003 server, if you can afford it! if I am correct you can have more than 4Gb of memory (and you will have to check that you motherboard give access to more than 4 Gig).
Anyway, 64 bits will reduce your CPU processing capability and you will use twice as much memory than 32bits.
All this doesn't even take into account the time required to load the samples (recall heavy discussions years back in order to reduce sample buffers size to speed up loadinig ....). User's of very large sample library have their samplers on separate machines in order to avoid reloading sample when they swap projects.
By using 400ms setting in sample buffer, you can already load huge instruments with 2.8 Gig of sample memory as it can be done currently with XP
So if 64bits and huge memories are required, than you ll better wait until octocores arrives on the market (should be soon). At that time scope 5 will be there and tested, you ll know what to do then.
cheers
Michel
Or using windows 2003 server, if you can afford it! if I am correct you can have more than 4Gb of memory (and you will have to check that you motherboard give access to more than 4 Gig).
Anyway, 64 bits will reduce your CPU processing capability and you will use twice as much memory than 32bits.
All this doesn't even take into account the time required to load the samples (recall heavy discussions years back in order to reduce sample buffers size to speed up loadinig ....). User's of very large sample library have their samplers on separate machines in order to avoid reloading sample when they swap projects.
By using 400ms setting in sample buffer, you can already load huge instruments with 2.8 Gig of sample memory as it can be done currently with XP
So if 64bits and huge memories are required, than you ll better wait until octocores arrives on the market (should be soon). At that time scope 5 will be there and tested, you ll know what to do then.
cheers
Michel
On vsl forum, there is some guys who are working successfully with 64 bits machines with xp 64.
They use Rme soundcards who have 64 bits drivers and also a 64 bits software to play samples. Sequencer could be 32 bits.
Christian
http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/
They use Rme soundcards who have 64 bits drivers and also a 64 bits software to play samples. Sequencer could be 32 bits.
Christian
http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/
i just read this on microsoft web site.
On a 64-bit platform, for optimal performance, all PCI adapters (including 32-bit PCI adapters) must be able to address the full physical address space. For 32-bit PCI adapters, this means that they must be able to support the Dual Address Cycle (DAC) command to permit them to transfer 64-bit addresses to the adapter or device (that is, addresses above the 4 GB address space). Adapters that cannot provide this support cannot directly access the full address space on a 64-bit platform.
in that case i would think that if the old cards do not have this "dac" then it will never work.
it may even mean that using windows 2003 with PAE might not work either.
i would just get an RME or something and run sequencer/sampler stuff on a seperate XP 64 bit machine connected to scope machine with MIDI and ADAT.
On a 64-bit platform, for optimal performance, all PCI adapters (including 32-bit PCI adapters) must be able to address the full physical address space. For 32-bit PCI adapters, this means that they must be able to support the Dual Address Cycle (DAC) command to permit them to transfer 64-bit addresses to the adapter or device (that is, addresses above the 4 GB address space). Adapters that cannot provide this support cannot directly access the full address space on a 64-bit platform.
in that case i would think that if the old cards do not have this "dac" then it will never work.
it may even mean that using windows 2003 with PAE might not work either.
i would just get an RME or something and run sequencer/sampler stuff on a seperate XP 64 bit machine connected to scope machine with MIDI and ADAT.
Thanks for your help guys.
I emailed sonic core about it and this was there reply
"currently we are at work to create VISTA 32 driver. If this is finished, we will see, what's necessary to create 64 bit drivers."
so 64bit maybe on its way.
Anyway I've decided to stay with a 32bit system, i've listed it below, i'll let you know how it runs.
It was inspired by Nestors configuration
-Gigabyte GA-P35-Ds3P (although it only has 2 PCI slots, it has firewire, which the other boards in this series didn't)
-Intel core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz
-Corsair TWIN2X4096-6400C5 4GB RAM
-MSI GEFORCE NX8600GT 512Mb Graphics Card (Although i did later relise after i bought it that it didnot have dual DVI outputs, but 1xDVI and 1xVGA, but as long as i can run dual monitors i'm not to worried as i only use this computer for music. It is alsois fanless which is an added bonus ie. one less fan to make noise)
-Antec P182 case (although it has 3 big ass fans, they are suposed to be of the quite kind, and the case also has additional sound proofing in its design)
-Antec 650W Truepower trio Power supply
-WD 150gig raptor drive (for Windows etc) and Seagate 500Gig SATA drive (for everything else)
Hopefully this will keep me happy for years to come
Rock On All
I emailed sonic core about it and this was there reply
"currently we are at work to create VISTA 32 driver. If this is finished, we will see, what's necessary to create 64 bit drivers."
so 64bit maybe on its way.
Anyway I've decided to stay with a 32bit system, i've listed it below, i'll let you know how it runs.
It was inspired by Nestors configuration
-Gigabyte GA-P35-Ds3P (although it only has 2 PCI slots, it has firewire, which the other boards in this series didn't)
-Intel core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz
-Corsair TWIN2X4096-6400C5 4GB RAM
-MSI GEFORCE NX8600GT 512Mb Graphics Card (Although i did later relise after i bought it that it didnot have dual DVI outputs, but 1xDVI and 1xVGA, but as long as i can run dual monitors i'm not to worried as i only use this computer for music. It is alsois fanless which is an added bonus ie. one less fan to make noise)
-Antec P182 case (although it has 3 big ass fans, they are suposed to be of the quite kind, and the case also has additional sound proofing in its design)
-Antec 650W Truepower trio Power supply
-WD 150gig raptor drive (for Windows etc) and Seagate 500Gig SATA drive (for everything else)
Hopefully this will keep me happy for years to come
Rock On All
That looks good to me.
Especially the way you played the safe bet w/ the Q6600. The performance of that CPU won't be as good as a fast E6850. However, when the 45nm's like the QX9650 drop in price, you can pop one in that board for the best performance around come next tax time in April.
Pray That AMD releases some fast cheap alternatives, lest you like to pay Intel 1200 USD for CPU's next year.
Especially the way you played the safe bet w/ the Q6600. The performance of that CPU won't be as good as a fast E6850. However, when the 45nm's like the QX9650 drop in price, you can pop one in that board for the best performance around come next tax time in April.
Pray That AMD releases some fast cheap alternatives, lest you like to pay Intel 1200 USD for CPU's next year.
I am using 2 cards a Pulsar II and a Luna II.
I have a Tascam FW 1884 Firewire interface, but since i have the creamware cards i don't actually use the FW's audio interface i only use it as a control surface and a MIDI router, ocassionally i use it's preamps routed out of its own ADAT output and into the Pulsars.
I am planing to ditch the Tascam for the new Mackie Universal Control Pro, which uses USB. So i supose this just gives me an excuse the buy the Mackie now.
Anyway i'll know soon if it all works in harmony, as i'll be puting it all together tommorrow.
I have a Tascam FW 1884 Firewire interface, but since i have the creamware cards i don't actually use the FW's audio interface i only use it as a control surface and a MIDI router, ocassionally i use it's preamps routed out of its own ADAT output and into the Pulsars.
I am planing to ditch the Tascam for the new Mackie Universal Control Pro, which uses USB. So i supose this just gives me an excuse the buy the Mackie now.
Anyway i'll know soon if it all works in harmony, as i'll be puting it all together tommorrow.
Re: 64 bit , 32 bit ?
sweatbox wrote:Hey All
I am about to build a new system, and my basic idea was something with heaps of power (i've been reading the other posts and have some ideas here)
and heaps of memory, minimum of 4 gig, when i mentioned this to a freind who is way more computer educated than me he told me to go over 4 gig you need to go 64bit, and asked me if my sound cards suported it.
My reply was "I have no idea"
So my question is do the scope cards support 64bit, (I have a pulsar II and Luna II running scope v4 if that makes a difference), or is there an updated driver i need to get?
Or do i even bother going more than 4 gig ram, will it actually do much for me?
I am trying to make this system as future proof as possible.
It's been quite a few years since i built a system so i'm playing catch up on the technology
Any advice would be appreciated
1) please: stay away of 64 bit OSs... Drivers are still a pain, and the technology is still very little exploted (yeah, SONAR does.. I tried it, set it up, and was not able to record because it didn't recognize my ASIO I/Os.. switched back to 32 bit, and it worked like a charm). You will only notice improvements if using well written, memory hungry 64 bit apps and at least 16 GB of RAM.
2) 32 bit systems * C A N * use more than 4GB of RAM, by the use of proprietary PAEs (Physical Address Extension).. But there are very little MoBos that will actually support that, usually server MoBos..
The issue is that apps can rarely use more than 2 GB in 32 bit mode..
having more than that allows you to run several applications at the same time, by sharing the extra GBs.