PlanetZ forums - scopeusers.com

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/sh ... spx?i=3134



Even with all the hype and OC'ng w/ these chipsets, I see a perfect oppurtunity for old tech.


1ST ) XP 32bit / GVI has a 3GB switch now from microsoft that allows GVI inside of a VST Host, or standalone to use 2.5GB's of RAM out of a 4GB load. That's exactly what I need to make my content loads rise. I needed 30%, looks like I got it.

2ND) Although Vista support from SC / CW is probably coming next year, I don't need it.



This will do exactly what I want it to do in XP 32bit mode.

A nice OC'd P35 w/ a fast ass E6850 will smoke.


I ain't falling for the X38 and it's " 10% " increase of speed,...........they forget to mention the 75-80% increase in instability that inherently comes with new upgrades.


If this test would have yeilded more performance I would have bought into it, but a P35 w/ DDRii, vrs. the X38 w/ DDRIII, and 10% at best?..................................Bull Puckey.


Once Again Intel Is Pissing On My Back And Tryin' To Tell Me It's Raining, I am hanging w/ GVI 3.0. XP 32 bit. and 4 GB's of DDR2 CL3 RAM.


They Can Suck My Ass.

Wise words my friend.

It's very hard for me to sit still though.

Sorry I forgot about all the hype I was reporting on.

Nobody really cares here about this stuff.

I shall refrain in the future.

But if this DAWg really rocks like my friends modestly tweaked DAW does, I will be excited, and forced to post,........but only once.

Uh, I think the word "hype" here is being over-hyped.

View the Scope4Live choices: P35 + E6850... wasn't that long ago folks.
I could even dig up any number of threads that say multi-processor
is just plain a bad idea. So... I think talking about the "sweet spot" is
a little more helpful than categorizing all new tech discussions as hype.

I actually think there is a greater danger for people who are 1) ignorant
of new technology, or 2) nostalgic for old technology. But then, this is all
in the context of: you have to define your usage. It's entirely appropriate
to say: "use what you know works well." But I won't argue in favor of
people being lazy or ignorant as the best course of action as a general
principal.

If this is purely "tech talk about scope dsp host platforms", then yeah,
this section of the forum should cease to exist. If people are interested
in discussing new technology, then maybe those people who are interested
in understanding and assessing new technology need not be labeled as excercising "hype".

I would rather speak here than for 300 USD per hour to a shrink.

I figure here at the Z I can always share and learn.

I post too much crap I'm sure of that, but it's like when I write a tune or groove.

The first few drafts suck according to my critics, but then there's that one that hits the sweet spot. If I would have remained silent, or wrote only one, the results would have probably failed. The constant revolving topic or tune actually is a form of bouncing ideas until a decision is made.

Hell who knows, I might just put together an old hardware rig and hit the touring circuit again.

I consider the input here from everyone valuable, as eventually I decide. My problem is that I belong to too many forums.

At least at PlanetZ I post often, and rarely wish I could reach through the LCD to choke someone.


As You Were.

I agree with most of what was said here, except the implication the new is equivalent to hype.

I just think people are a little too quick to say "all new technology is bad". And to characterize discussions about new technology as "hype". If you don't examine the technology, you won't understand it. If you don't understand it, then how can you make a judgement about it.

I had to do a lot of system analysis at my job. And understanding performance bottlenecks is important to me. I do understand that people here might not have any interest in this stuff. But again, I wouldn't characterize the examination of new technology as "hype". I feel like I should be on my way to a book burning!

Anyway, totally agreed on the parts about finding the sweet spot, and about the choices Jimmy arrived at.

I agree also,

and also agree that Tarkus was so fierce for it's time.

I think that opinions differ in how much of a chance we're willing to take on instability in a computer. A hobbyist won't have to fear losing income to downtime or troubleshooting issues, and probably has more time to do research and fix issues. Someone who uses a machine directly for a main source of income probably upgrades more infrequently and to more proven parts.

Personally I always make sure I wait for enough boards in a particular solution to be shipped that there is a decent level of field testing from the users in the field on forums etc. For my Xeons I use 2cpu.com and for other boards forums at anandtech, techreport and a few other tech sites let's me stay abreast of rev2 & rev3 of a given solution. Some boards prove to be relatively bug free and rev2 is 'good enough' but every rev3 board I've bought over the years has proven to be very solid & reliable.

The issues that can crop up are not always easy to see. Via & Sis issues due to AGP contention are old news, but learning small details like a certain Intel workstation 'south' ICH part having bus stalling issues when being saturated with SATA raid modes is a real boon to knowing how stable a part is. I also recall the many attempts by AMD for its MP & MPX parts, all of which were fine for 3d and number crunching guys, but none would work for Scope. The same thing goes for earlier Nforce4 boards, Nforce2 etc.

For those that don't care to pay attention to that level you can always wait on people to post 'known good' configurations to places like our dear PlanetZ.

The basic *35 (=cheap, non-cfire) models (f.e. asus p5k / giga ga-p35-ds3 ...) come with 3 pci slots. From reading on internet I don't see any point in getting a *38chipset board. Gigabyte has a fairly basic (=undecorated) *35 model with both ddr2/ddr3 ram slots (if you look closely, they come in rasta colors) so it would last for some time, I guess, esp with their shiny caps (ga-35c-ds3r) ... Why pay more for not so obvious advantages (if any).

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainbo ... s3r_3.html



looks like it's hooked to pcie, so dsp should have some slack. (it doesn't have firewire, so that's bad for those who would otherwise hook a pcie fw800 card ... if needed)

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainbo ... html#sect0 power consumption test also interesting. looks like the board alone would compensate for consumption of two dsp cards.

CONS: (from xbitlabs)
No second PCI Express x16 slot; (actually a plus for a daw)
Relatively low performance during FSB overclocking;
Poor memory overclocking results;
No tools for system voltages management in the BIOS.

don't underestimate the importance of rasta colors.

Well You'll Never Guess What I am Going to Do.

After careful consideration, I decided to keep Scope all by itself.

I have seen the benefits of having a larger amount of memory to address for my particular applications. I was told not to use this permanantly, but rather try the 3GB LAA Switch which allowed MS XP Home to address more memory. The 3GB switch allowed me to double my loading of VSTi's, and shows no instability. But I must go 64bit now. Just for the VSTi's and large libraries that sound so good.

My friends in the AV world have told me the 64bit move was not necessary, unless the application was designed ground up for that.

Gigastusio 4 seems to be that application. So I will have a another seperate DAW built and let Scope have a home by itself. It has served me so well that I believe my cards should be alone now. One massive mixing DAW w/ the best plugs for Scope and of course pack it w/ Modular and Prowave since I am buying up Klangboxes at an alarming rate, I just hope they work !!

But I shall jump into the hype head first, and of course keep my Brotha's informed on how good or bad things go.

I must have a stable 64bit DAW ready and waiting for GS4's release. NAMM '08 will be that time.

If Soniccore jumps in w/ Vista drivers, I will be prepared for that also, as the board below is the only X38 that I like. It has 3 x 32bit PCI's, and is designed to run low latency DDR2 instead of the " over hyped " DDR3, which shows no performance increase over CL3 DDR2, even at 1800 MHz !!

From what I've learned GS4 could the first application that has true SSE4 optimisations, and spawns multiple threads after the first core is wholly designed for kernel level access for the app. It will be a VSTi host as well. Instead of trying to run GS4 in Xp 32bit mode, I will just jump in head first, and pray my investment pays off. In Vegas everyone gambles that I know except for me, This is the only way I gamble. I figure my odds are 3 to 2 for sucess.

I hope you don't mind building a 64bit DAW for me Brotha' Man GaryB.

This will be built during the Van Halen Reunion Dates at the MGM December 27th. While people are shooting off fireworks, I will be cursing at Cubase.

So It Shall Be Written, So It Shall Be Done.

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They had a pre sale 2 days ago w/ limited stock. It was postponed until Turkey Day week.