Hi,
This is a kind of double post so excuse me. I wrote more or less the same thing in the "Off Topic" section. I just want to share my opinion on the Dynatube Bundle as this section is the more appropriate one.
I recently got the Dynatube bundle, though have to say I am not that impressed. Pity I couldn't demo it before buying, otherwise I wouldn't have got it. I bought it on faith alone. For me Amplitube and Guitar Rig sound much better (and my Pod Pro does too) and more controllable with regard to sound. The dynatube for me lacks balls and has a kind of metallic undertone to it. A bit like sticking a piece of tin foil in your mouth and having a kind of mettalic after taste for a while (if you know what I mean). The Dynatube lacks balls and punch in the distortion department. The clean tones are OK though. Also what is annoying are the horrible clicks and pops when you change presets. Final point is that there is not much variety in the tones you can coax out of it.
Well, thats my opinion.
Dynatube Impressions
Hi,
I experienced the opposite. I got much more realistic sounds with dynatube in comparison to my good old PODxt Pro. ok the pod might be more flexible and has indeed a lot of presets, which dynatube has not. And the few cw presets are crap in my ears. don't know what kinda guitar will sound good with those...
At last I need to say that it tooks a lot of time to get the sound i had in my mind out of dynatube, but i got it. not with one instance, but with 2 or 3, different settings, panned and with some sample delay, HUGE!! Do you know a pod which could play 4 amps at once?
not even the line6 vetta can do this, just my two tiny swiss cents 
greez
Roman
I experienced the opposite. I got much more realistic sounds with dynatube in comparison to my good old PODxt Pro. ok the pod might be more flexible and has indeed a lot of presets, which dynatube has not. And the few cw presets are crap in my ears. don't know what kinda guitar will sound good with those...
At last I need to say that it tooks a lot of time to get the sound i had in my mind out of dynatube, but i got it. not with one instance, but with 2 or 3, different settings, panned and with some sample delay, HUGE!! Do you know a pod which could play 4 amps at once?
not even the line6 vetta can do this, just my two tiny swiss cents greez
Roman
if you want the kind of sound you are getting from those other programs, you'll have to add reverb, distortion and other effects. as you have said the cleans are really good. in fact they are very like real amps. why not use real pedals? or all that huge toolbox that comes with scope(let's not even speak about what's possible combined with modular/flexor). there's no way that you don't have the best sounding, most flexible system available in a daw. i can't believe there's something you can't do with it...
rethink.
if you are saying that the instant gratification aspect is superior in amplitube, guitar rig, line6 etal however, then i understand. too many sounds and choices can be a bit to manage, but a clear head about what you want to accomplish should make getting a good sound pretty easy(masterverb classic is a great reverb to use with dt)...
not meaning to personally slag you, but's that's my opinion.
rethink.
if you are saying that the instant gratification aspect is superior in amplitube, guitar rig, line6 etal however, then i understand. too many sounds and choices can be a bit to manage, but a clear head about what you want to accomplish should make getting a good sound pretty easy(masterverb classic is a great reverb to use with dt)...
not meaning to personally slag you, but's that's my opinion.
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I am not sure I have fully understood you. Do you mean that you have two (or more) instances of Dynatube running? So for example (seeing that it is mono) the analog source left channel going into one instance of Dynatube and the analog source right channel going into a different instance of Dynatube, then feeding the output into a stereo channel into a mixer? If that's what you mean, then that seems quite interesting and I am disappointed in myself for not thinking of that combination. I'll give it a try anyway.katano wrote:Hi,
At last I need to say that it tooks a lot of time to get the sound i had in my mind out of dynatube, but i got it. not with one instance, but with 2 or 3, different settings, panned and with some sample delay, HUGE!! Do you know a pod which could play 4 amps at once?
greez
Roman
Well, perhaps a case of lack of imagination on my part with regard to your suggestion on using real pedals. Though, I got rid of my guitar external effects hardware stuff a long time ago (apart from Pod Pro) as I want to keep my recording setup simple, clutter free and ergonomic as possible. I might borrow a friend's collection of pedals though to see what it is like.garyb wrote:if you want the kind of sound you are getting from those other programs, you'll have to add reverb, distortion and other effects. as you have said the cleans are really good. in fact they are very like real amps. why not use real pedals?
I have tried some combinations within what Scope has to offer and there is some improvement. Though I guess I have only scratched the surface.garyb wrote: .........or all that huge toolbox that comes with scope(let's not even speak about what's possible combined with modular/flexor). there's no way that you don't have the best sounding, most flexible system available in a daw. i can't believe there's something you can't do with it...
Seems like I will have to.garyb wrote:
rethink.
Yes masterverb certainly improved things and I guess I might have to rethink how I can coax some good sounds (well sounds I am happy with) out of it.garyb wrote:
....... but a clear head about what you want to accomplish should make getting a good sound pretty easy(masterverb classic is a great reverb to use with dt)...
No problem. I appreciate the suggestions and your opinion.garyb wrote:
not meaning to personally slag you, but's that's my opinion.
My opinions are based on my guitar(s) DI directly into Scope with nothing else and comparing it to what I already use. I am just not impressed with a direct signal due to what I said before, that it is metallic sounding, a bit noisy and changing presets causes pops and clicks.
However, thanks for your opinions and the ideas on how to approach things differently.
Yes, exactly! you can take the analog source signal and connect it to as many dynatube instances your system can handle. You don't even need a left or right source signal, simply take take one of them. And you don't even need to bundle 2 dynatubes to a stereo channel. I always load dynatube in the channel inserts of a mono channel in the stm2448.Atomic Marshmallow wrote:I am not sure I have fully understood you. Do you mean that you have two (or more) instances of Dynatube running? So for example (seeing that it is mono) the analog source left channel going into one instance of Dynatube and the analog source right channel going into a different instance of Dynatube, then feeding the output into a stereo channel into a mixer? If that's what you mean, then that seems quite interesting and I am disappointed in myself for not thinking of that combination. I'll give it a try anyway.katano wrote:At last I need to say that it tooks a lot of time to get the sound i had in my mind out of dynatube, but i got it. not with one instance, but with 2 or 3, different settings, panned and with some sample delay, HUGE!! Do you know a pod which could play 4 amps at once?
greez
Roman
btw. someone here on planetZ suggested - don't remember the name, sorry - to boost the mids around 4000Hz with a peq4 in the pre insert slot of dynatube to get good results with distorted sounds.
Also worth to try, as always on mixed guitars on scope: spl attacker or transient designer, vinco dt, vinco, stw a or p100, some subtle delay, even psyQ could do magic in some cases
last but not least i found that the best way to fit two or more dynatubes together (to sound as one huge amp) is to play with the "distance knob" on dynatube and the sample delay on the stm mixer...
greez
Roman
Ps.: keep us informed if you've changed your mind
Re: Dynatube Impressions
unfortunately, dynatube is not a "toy" to be played out of the box, like POD, or amplitube or guitar rig. with these, you simply plug the guitar, select a preset and go, because someone has prepared certain combinatinos of fx, amp set-up, delay, reverb, etc... which are just good to play!Atomic Marshmallow wrote:Hi,
I recently got the Dynatube bundle, though have to say I am not that impressed.
dynatube is like buying an hardware amplifier. you have to tweak it from scratch to make it play, and perhaps begin to add fx like compressor, delay, reverb, etc...
at the beginning, to achieve distortion, i added some TDrive distotrion, then eq at the end of the chain, tried different combinations of ampli-speaker, and finally tried to "sum" two different amps, one JM+JM speaker, one MB+JM (with phase inverted), and tweaked the distance knob. always with some masterverbpro
it's difficult to achieve great sound, but, for me,it rocks
and tonight i wil try dynatube bass with my bassplayer for our new hardcore metal punk album...
I have dynatube for a couple of weeks and I have to say that I am really impressed with it. To me it’s like having the real amp miked in the basement, but much more practical.
In order to focus on getting a given guitar tone, I set up a project so that I can alternatively listen to some commercial song (L, R or stereo) and to my dt "clone" of the song's guitar tone. So far I have mostly focused on classic rock tones, i.e. bridge humbucker and JM model, and I'm very satisfied with the results I'm getting.
At the moment I think I'm keeping it quite simple (even if it reads long):
* As I said, bridge humbucker into daw
* Sometimes a little eq as a first step, mostly limited to a low pass filter about 5KHz
* Sometimes flexor's guitar drive used as a dirt box.
* Dt, JM model (amp+cab). I really like the ability to crank the master volume while keeping the preamp distortion to a moderate setting in order to get mostly power tube-like distortion. Great for distorted chords where you can still distinguish each of the notes. It's also worthwile to play with the input level of the amp, and of course the distance of the mic
* Hi pass (around 60-80Hz) and low pass (around 5-6KHz), resulting in a band pass.
* Some subtle compression with vinco.
* A little reverb.
By the way, a trick for double-track-like effect without using two dt instances: Send the output of dt to 2 separate band pass filters, narrower than indicated before, one of them placed more in the mid-low and the other more in the mid-high, so that they complement each other. You can also add a mid boost to each band pass (centered at different frequencies). Then add a little compression to each channel, delay one of the channels a few msec, and mix them, one hard-panned L and the other hard-panned R.
I'll try to find the time to post a couple of mp3s here.
In order to focus on getting a given guitar tone, I set up a project so that I can alternatively listen to some commercial song (L, R or stereo) and to my dt "clone" of the song's guitar tone. So far I have mostly focused on classic rock tones, i.e. bridge humbucker and JM model, and I'm very satisfied with the results I'm getting.
At the moment I think I'm keeping it quite simple (even if it reads long):
* As I said, bridge humbucker into daw
* Sometimes a little eq as a first step, mostly limited to a low pass filter about 5KHz
* Sometimes flexor's guitar drive used as a dirt box.
* Dt, JM model (amp+cab). I really like the ability to crank the master volume while keeping the preamp distortion to a moderate setting in order to get mostly power tube-like distortion. Great for distorted chords where you can still distinguish each of the notes. It's also worthwile to play with the input level of the amp, and of course the distance of the mic
* Hi pass (around 60-80Hz) and low pass (around 5-6KHz), resulting in a band pass.
* Some subtle compression with vinco.
* A little reverb.
By the way, a trick for double-track-like effect without using two dt instances: Send the output of dt to 2 separate band pass filters, narrower than indicated before, one of them placed more in the mid-low and the other more in the mid-high, so that they complement each other. You can also add a mid boost to each band pass (centered at different frequencies). Then add a little compression to each channel, delay one of the channels a few msec, and mix them, one hard-panned L and the other hard-panned R.
I'll try to find the time to post a couple of mp3s here.
Hm. Can't find that metallic colour in dynatube. It sounds very very natural for me.
Although there is one thing left for perfection: I miss some subtle high-freq-crunch in the sounds (I hear that missing in the demos too, when dyna is compared to the real thing. That's the last difference to the real amps.)
I recently tried some years old recordings with a marshall in a studio carefully miced & recorded and I like them better to what I can get out of dynatube, but I get EXTREMELY CLOSE to that. Something which Pod did not offer me.
I also use the trick with multiple instances and that's real hardcore!! Endless possibilities! If i had dynatube some years before I would have become a professional guitarist - just because I had to work with it all day because it's so great!
I will for sure get the bass-amps soon!
Martin
Although there is one thing left for perfection: I miss some subtle high-freq-crunch in the sounds (I hear that missing in the demos too, when dyna is compared to the real thing. That's the last difference to the real amps.)
I recently tried some years old recordings with a marshall in a studio carefully miced & recorded and I like them better to what I can get out of dynatube, but I get EXTREMELY CLOSE to that. Something which Pod did not offer me.
I also use the trick with multiple instances and that's real hardcore!! Endless possibilities! If i had dynatube some years before I would have become a professional guitarist
- just because I had to work with it all day because it's so great! I will for sure get the bass-amps soon!
Martin
it is true that Dynatube needs time to handle... But you can get an organic and natural sound hard to get in another way... at the beginning i was desappointed by the noise but you need to chose a good guitar (some Fender mics are very noisy !) and you must use the controls from Vinco DT and Dynatube + EQ..... I have tried with good pedals (MAxon) and i can get a very good sound without any digital sensations... Far better than any other plugs...
Hello!
Why dont we all exchange some preset Dynatube sounds of our own? Lets post on this thread - or better on a new one - projects that have one DT guitar sound that is ready to be tried.
I would recommend each post to include:
- a whole scope project, ready for you to connect your guitar and try the sound
- a short mono or stereo good quality mp3, where the creator shows off his preset sound with his guitar.
I suggest that the scope project includes only a mixer, one or more instances of DT and only stock effects*. Whatever is necessary for you to try the particular guitar sound, nothing irrelevant (ASIO channels etc). (*: maybe we could include VinCo, A100, P100 or any other very high quality non-stock scope effect that is popular).
What do you think about that?
Why dont we all exchange some preset Dynatube sounds of our own? Lets post on this thread - or better on a new one - projects that have one DT guitar sound that is ready to be tried.
I would recommend each post to include:
- a whole scope project, ready for you to connect your guitar and try the sound
- a short mono or stereo good quality mp3, where the creator shows off his preset sound with his guitar.
I suggest that the scope project includes only a mixer, one or more instances of DT and only stock effects*. Whatever is necessary for you to try the particular guitar sound, nothing irrelevant (ASIO channels etc). (*: maybe we could include VinCo, A100, P100 or any other very high quality non-stock scope effect that is popular).
What do you think about that?
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King of Snake
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Take a look here, for my proposal about a common standard of Dynatube presets exchange system: http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... 387#164387rodos1979 wrote:Hello!
Why dont we all exchange some preset Dynatube sounds of our own? Lets post on this thread - or better on a new one - projects that have one DT guitar sound that is ready to be tried.
I would recommend each post to include:
- a whole scope project, ready for you to connect your guitar and try the sound
- a short mono or stereo good quality mp3, where the creator shows off his preset sound with his guitar.
I suggest that the scope project includes only a mixer, one or more instances of DT and only stock effects*. Whatever is necessary for you to try the particular guitar sound, nothing irrelevant (ASIO channels etc). (*: maybe we could include VinCo, A100, P100 or any other very high quality non-stock scope effect that is popular).
What do you think about that?
4PC + Scope 5.0 + no more Xite + 2xScope Pro + 6xPulsarII + 2xLunaII + SDK + a lot of devices (Flexor III & Solaris 4.1 etc.) + Plugiator.