Buying a new machine!

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Buying a new machine!

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Hi guys,

sorry for maybe disturbing with a question that has already been asked a few times.

You think it makes sense to buy a new PC for my Pulsar 1 with Pulsar 1 SRB.

I just got the money for a new PC ánd I´m out the hardware buiz for a while.

I got a AMD System with AMD 2500 (Barton) nforce 2 chipset.
Due to the fact that I´m using only plugs its gets hard to produce a song with a lot of singing and synth plugs and .......... you know it.

thanks for your time in advance.

DT
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Well i don't know that Mobo, but you don't state your RAM or processor speed. i would say you should think about upgrading your SCOPE system - by adding one newer card (doesn't matter what size) you can have access to lower latency for all your cards, plus you increase the amount of synths you can run :D
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Thanks for the input!

I should have switched my brain on before send this question.
So wait .........klick..... Wowwww - what a beautifull day.


I forgot to say, that I use Scope only for Mixing. I only have Adat Dest/source Module in my Projects and of course a Mixer and two or three Masterverbs.
and Compressors

Therefore the old cards don`t bother that much except recording. But I automatically make -7ms delay on the audio tracks and after some years you get used to it.

I need a lot Power in the sequenzer, cause there are my main power eater. Drum Machines etc.

My current machine has a AMD 2500 with Abit NF7-2 and 1 GIG of Ram and when I´m recording a singer and I have for example 10 Audio-Tracks playing with Plugs and some native synths - the machine starts to struggle.

When I by a LUNA II I´m missing the DSP-Power for Mixing-Setup. Now I have 8 DSP!

Anyhow thanks for sharing your brain.
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sure, if you monitor on the scope mixer instead of through cubase, you won't need to do all that compensating on your overdubs and punch-ins.

if you want a current machine, i suggest an intel conroe and an intel d965ryck. if you want a generation back, intel p4, preferrably northwood, with an intel d865perl. with both computers be sure to get a high quality power supply and get the good ram. i use corsair twinx ram sticks. i also use the nvidia graphics cards(usually evga brand). i get 256mb video cards and never spend more than $90 for a dual-head card. both of these machines should be reliable and stable.
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When I by a LUNA II I´m missing the DSP-Power for Mixing-Setup. Now I have 8 DSP!
Well no, because you'd be adding to the DSP (you can cascade three cards), so you'd have 11 DSPs to play with and the Luna would give you lower latency across all three cards.
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true again.
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Sorry - I did'nt knew that this new card will lower the lantecy of my whole recording system. Good Idea.

It would be so funny, if you have such a card to sell :D


Gary:
What is ryck behind the 965
What is the difference between the 965 and 975 chipsets
Do they all have 3 PCI places
Do they have normal IDE connectors (otherwise the old HD are out)


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the ryck is the rest of the name, d965ryck. :D

for the exact differences between the 975 and 965 chipsets, intel would be the best source. the 975 was the next chipset in the 900 series. later the 965 was redone and it is currently the newest 900 series chipset. this motherboard has the latest version. the best thing, besides that it's stable, is that it's cheap.

yes, it has 3 pci slots. it also has 1 ide slot, but i recommend that the ide slot is reserved for a dvd burner. sata drives are relatively cheap and your old one is likely very old. the very old often die, especially hard drives. if you can't afford that big of a jump you might consider the p4 solution(that board has 2 ide connectors). i'm still using one of those and don't really need an upgrade at the moment.
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Hi Gary

thanks for the details. I had problems to find the board on the web and I found some confusing Stuuf like 975 chipset and so onn...

thanks for clearing that up.

Besides, I changed a few years ago to Nvidia and AMD - but I never was satified with it. And what you said about stability and performance ist exactly what I was looking for.
Thanks for the help I let you soon know about the gear I figured out.

I think a few questions will come up - cause I'm not used to the SATA stuff and I'm not sure about the old AGP nvidea Dual Head graphic card I have.

Thanks A lot

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Hi Gary ,

A few questions remain.

1. I´m used to work with 2 monitors. the board you recomemended has Onboard grafic is it not better to take a board without grafic-chip?
Combined with that, what Grafikcard You recommend for the PCI-E slot?

2 I found the Samsung Spinpoint HD 401LJ SATA-2 as HD. You have any experience with this.

3. You mentioned monitoring via the Pulsar Mixer to avoid latency when recording. Is this done by connecting the monitor outs of the Pulsar mixer with the appropiate hardware dest?

Thanks again to the best support forum I know!!

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1. i don't use the onboard graphics. most boards have them these days, if you don't use the onboard, it makes no trouble. i use an evga nvidia card, basically whichever one is under $80 and has 256mb ram.

2. never tried that drive, i'm sure it's fine. i usually use western digital drives, they have the longest warranty. in most machines i would use a 160gb for programs and storage(samples), partitioned into two drives and a 200-250gb for use as "tape"(audio info), partitioned into 2 or 3 drives.

3. everything connects to the scope mixer, all programs and applications, as well as audio from outside. i usually use the stm2448 mixer and connect my monitors to the control room output. the mix out on the stm1632 will work too. this way i monitor the scope mixer and not the sequencer's mixer(you hear the sequencer and the live audio at the same time and there's no need to adjust for latency). the only place this doesn't help is when playing vsti plugins live. there will be a lag equal to the card's latency setting. this can be mitigated by using a usb midi controller with a shorter latency if you are using a pulsar 1(still monitoring the audio in the scope mixer, however), or lowering the latency to 3 or 4ms if you have a second generation scope card with ulli.

if i am using headphones then yes, i connect to the monitor outs of the mixer and use the monitor bus to hear everything.

zero latency monitoring is one of the benefits of using scope.
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Post by TimingLess »

Hi Gary, Hi Stardust, Hi Mr. Arkadin

I followed your recommendations and I bought a Scope Home Card. It arrived today :D and I'm thinking about how to set up Pulsar 1 + SRB and Scope Home. :roll:

Does the Scope Home Card has to be the first board.? I rememebr that I have to Change the Cset.ini File.

I'm using the ADAT Ports on the Pulsar 1 board with an Fostex VC8. Does it change anything on that, if I put in the Scope Home as Board one.?

Thanks again for your help hopefully soon upcoming help
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yes, the home card should be the first card. you could remove the p1, restart, shut down, install the home and p1, restart, reinstall driver and go, or just swap their positions and restart. or just put the home card in and don't worry...

if the home card is seen as #1 by the software, you'll see <11ms in ulli. if you don't have low latency, then add this to cset.ini

[board0]
boardid=1

[board1]
boardid=0

that will tell the software how to deal with the hardware.

as to your behringer connect, it will work just like always, plus you'll have more adat connects from the home card. all i/o will be functional and in the hardware i/o menu.
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