The Future of Standard PCI Slots

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sun May 21, 2006 9:33 am

I decided next year is the year I will make a new computer so I am starting to look at motherboards. I have 3 Creamware cards and I now realize that I might not be able to get a motherboard with 3 standard PCI slots in the future. I also have an Emagic MIDI interface which means I need 4 PCI slots. Now I see ASUS is not going to have that many PCI slots.

I have come to the realization that my next computer will not be equiped with Creamware cards. I will probably use 2 computers for a while. It is not fair that things go obsolete when I have spent so much money on them. I like have the 11 DSP chips.

voidar · Post by **voidar** » Sun May 21, 2006 9:54 am

My next computer purchase will probably be for games/entertainment only, and then I can finally dedicate the one I have now for music only.

I might have to buy another Asus P4P800 SE for backup. If I only can find another 498 slot CPU for it.

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Post by **garyb** » Sun May 21, 2006 1:40 pm

the d865perl is still a current motherboard. i still build new computers with it and they work VERY well. the intel 9xx chipset motherboards have 4 pci slots. i don't think it's done quite yet....

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sun May 21, 2006 2:36 pm

My next computer will use a 64 bit CPU and OS. Perhaps some company will make a board with the old slots at a premium price.

Now that I think about it a backup might be a good idea though. You better have backup memory and CPU to go with it.

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darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Sun May 21, 2006 3:24 pm

I recommend picking up an Nforce3 board while you still can. IMHO it's the best chipset I've used (previous best was AMD760/761).. uses proven tech like AGP and PCI, and has incredible PCI bandwidth and speed. These boards won't be around for much longer so it's a good time to pick them up. I can't imagine needing a faster machine for running Windows XP, Scope and Logic. My next computer purchase will not be for a *long* time.

Post by **garyb** » Sun May 21, 2006 5:06 pm

On 2006-05-21 15:36, braincell wrote:
My next computer will use a 64 bit CPU and OS. Perhaps some company will make a board with the old slots at a premium price.
[ This Message was edited by: braincell on 2006-05-21 15:38 ]

that will certainly happen as there are still isa slot motherboards available for p4s.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:08 pm

I once bought the (well known) ASUS TUSLC P3 mobo (2nd hand), but one of the big German mail order stores still(!) had new old stock Tualatin CPUs and even 512 MB SDRAM-133-2-2-2, both items well affordable.

not worrying about supplies, tom

bronYaur · Post by **bronYaur** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:25 am

my next update is to 2.8 singlecore no HT with intel MB d850emv2 to
3.8 HT singlecore with INTEL D955XCS,I always work with MB intel and never problem,the D955XCS have SATA (3.0Gbs) RAID with Native Command Queuing (NCQ). 3.0 , firewire and is ready to support dual core P4 if creamware work on compatibility with dual core I change the 3.8 singlecore with one P4 dualcore in next future

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:07 am

On 2006-06-06 02:25, bronYaur wrote:
...the D955XCS have SATA (3.0Gbs) RAID with Native Command Queuing (NCQ). 3.0 , ...

keep it simple...
there isn't much to queue in a DAW

you will want to write many big blocks of data (to record) and possibly do the same with read (for playback or samples) - that's why you'll use 2 (or more) physical disks.

the 'safe' versions of raid (that constantly backup) are a complete contradiction to the DAW's operation (see above).

All those disk tricks are for servers that access a million small blocks by a bunch of office or internet users a day

cheers, Tom

valis · Post by **valis** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:49 am

On 2006-06-05 13:08, astroman wrote:
I once bought the (well known) ASUS TUSLC P3 mobo (2nd hand), but one of the big German mail order stores still(!) had new old stock Tualatin CPUs and even 512 MB SDRAM-133-2-2-2, both items well affordable.

not worrying about supplies, tom

Wish I could find an Asus TUSL-C somewhere still...I've got the ram & cpu but can't find a motherboard seller I trust!

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:53 pm

My D865PERL has never crashed during live performance, or pre production once. It is simple, and simply marvelous. I just sold my Supermicro DAW which was the P4SCT+II which had PCI,PCI-X,Marvell SATA RAID,..etc. It was stable, but overkill. Scope works well on a simple or complex mobo. The only new hardware I added which proved to be of use was the new Raptor X. But all it did was give me more polyphony which I can't possibly use live. But it now holds VSL Strings, and GS3 DVD's. I liked Giga better when it only needed CD's. I'm now wanting a
new 3 x 15 DSP Scope box for Modular only, since I wish to use it as a powerful synth and sequencing enviroment within Scope, no VST host. Guess which mobo I'm going to use.
The D865PERL. So GaryB, save me one 4 July.

If I Bought Scope In 1999, I Could Have Been A Contender,

kaju · Post by **kaju** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:16 pm

A local retailer sells this Asus mb:
P5P800 SE
- Intel Dual-Core & Pentium 4 CPU
- Intel 865PE chipset
- AGP8X
- Dual-Channel DDR400
- ASUS Hyper Path Technology
- Intel Gigabit LAN
- 6 Channel Audio
- Serial ATA
The price is quite affordable - EUR 65.90

Any comments?

Post by **garyb** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:23 pm

the 865 chipset is good and asus is usually good, i'd say it likely will work quite nicely.

kaju · Post by **kaju** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:38 pm

Thanks, Gary

Btw. This board has 4 PCIs, 2 pata and 2 sata.

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helldriver · Post by **helldriver** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:33 pm

is it possible to run the new intel conroes on asus P5P800 SE ?

if not, is there something similar with 4 pci slots that is able to run the new conroes,

btw, is scope working well with these new dual core processors/Conroe?

thx

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:33 pm

SFP/Nuendo working well on the E6700 with an Asus/975X chipset. I am putting a 3 DSP card box together now on an Intel DP965LT with newly released memory controller improvement. I will be posting on the sucsess/failures that I encounter in the video archiving thread. I decided to go with 3 PCI 32 bit slots and drop the RME DSP 9632 audio card 4 VST hosting. BTW 2.9 msec. @44.1KHz is what Luna/Nuendo was working at with the Asus P5W-DH/975X. I will run my SFP DAW at a slower ( Live ) setting so I can have more synth power. Good to know that this is a formiddable studio box if need be.

_________________
Jimmy V.

BTW Astroman, my buddy uses a RAID 3 set up which allows the writing and reading of large amounts of data. It is especially good when volume and speed are nescessary for high level production. This would be an ideal RAID level 4 audio, but I still see no need 4 it, unless your business is archiving audio at an alarmingly high rate. My Nuendo friend uses the NetCell RAID 3 card 4 transferring of large audio/video archiving.

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emzee · Post by **emzee** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:53 am

@ Braincell

Why not get the big board and just use one PCI slot?