Whoever Buys Dynatube,Let Me Know.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 5:59 pm

I am feverish for Dynatube. My Blue Tubes VST doesn't work for me anymore in GS3, so I miss the warmth on my electro-mechanical, and Guitar samples. Dyna will probably blow the VST's out of the water anyway. I hope you buy the bundle so I can get input on how the Vox sounds so unique? I use an ancient Vox wah-wah, and Distortion booster that plugs into your guitar,i.e. Hello I Love You ( Doors ) I left them at my parents house when I was 18, and they were 7 years old then, came back and found them in a trunk full of baseball cards. But that is the extent of my knowledge with Vox. I do remember watching the Beatles on Ed Sullivan using Super Beetle stacks and thought they looked better than my Acoustic 150 Solid State.

Thanx In Advance,

JV

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Jimmy V.

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Kymeia · Post by **Kymeia** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:00 am

me too - I want to know

hell I might just have to get it anyway (so be quick

)

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:11 am

User reports, we need user reports!!!!

voidar · Post by **voidar** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:06 am

I'll report some monday, latest.

Dynatube is waiting for me to be installed, I just need to get home first

jea · Post by **jea** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:17 am

First impression without sound (!!! no speakers connected ...)

Is that it takes much space on the screen (and I have 1600x1200 res), but it seems that it installed correct!!

And XTC is working.

Without having to rename dll trick!

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:17 pm

Don't be cruel, tell me how it sounds. Did you buy the bundle, or seperate? How's the Twin?

voidar · Post by **voidar** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:49 pm

I've been trying out dynatube for some hours now. Mainly the Mesa model which is of my main interest - getting a usable hi-gain sound.

As for now I don't know what to think, and right now my ears are pretty fatigued.
But it seems to me really hard to dial in a tight, cutting sound. There's like 80% mushy tones in there, and they start with the master set to more than 10:00.

I can only speculate that this is because CW had the amp modeled in the "spongy" tube-rectified setting - because They "like tubes".... This is a most puzzling choice. Had they had any clue towards what they were doing they would have chosen to model the amp in it's ss diode-rectified "bold" setting.
You don't market this as the rock-metal model and use the tube-rectified setting.. That's cool for vintage rock, but not modern.

Anyway, that's my rant. IMO it was a terrible decision made.

I used a GT "The Brick" as an instrument pre, which is my most hi-quality preamp. I could try something else tomorrow.

katano · Post by **katano** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:35 pm

hi all

i bought the hole package. here's my setup and my first impressions:

ibanez as200 -> dbx 376 tube channel strip -> spdif out -> pulsar spdif in -> dynatube -> stm2448 -> bx_digital -> optimaster

The clean sounds are amazing, doesn't matter if FT or VX. I got some nice results with vinco on postinsert of the dynatube and stw classic plate (p100) on channel aux.

the crunch sounds are fine as well, the only thing i did spent much time till i was happy with the sound were the high gaines with JM and MB. Finally i got the best result with feeding two dynatubes, one JM, one MB, one panned left, one right, vinco and p100. really nice!!

I'm also a user of a Line6 podXT pro. The problem with the high gain sounds on the pod is even bigger than on dynatube. I don't know how it comes, seems distorted sounds have to be much more complex to model...

however, the dynatube sounds more realistic and less digital in my ears. and the fact that i could feed 4 or more virtual amps at one time, makes it hugh! btw. i usually prefer doubble tracking of guitars...

one negativ thing is the huge space dynatube needs with the sensless cab below the amp. @ CREAMWARE: Please give us a button to hide the guitar cab!!

cheerz
roman

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:39 pm

Oh, it includes the virtual "speaker" too? The screenshots only showed the actual interface...

I guess the cab is there to give you that "feel"...if you put your guitar next to the screen, maybe you'll get feedback.

Shayne

katano · Post by **katano** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:43 pm

On 2006-04-16 18:39, Shayne White wrote:
Oh, it includes the virtual "speaker" too? The screenshots only showed the actual interface...

I guess the cab is there to give you that "feel"...if you put your guitar next to the screen, maybe you'll get feedback.

Shayne

yep, virtual speaker inclusive. you can combine your mesa head with the fender cab, if you want

btw, feedback is modelled, too. but you don't have to put your guitar in front of the speaker. it's kinda magic

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dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:41 pm

Thank You Gentlmen,
Since I hit a 250 USD 4 of a kind with cigarette change at the corner market today, I will buy this first, then Flexor, then Biosc,.......my sickness is neverending. The thought of having feedback on a mono synth solo gave me a woody!!

As You Were,

voidar · Post by **voidar** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:02 am

On 2006-04-16 18:43, katano wrote:

btw, feedback is modelled, too. but you don't have to put your guitar in front of the speaker. it's kinda magic

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I haven't noticed any feedback modeling. How did you get that workign?

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:37 am

Hi katano, thnks for the review. i'm an XT Pro user too, and i was wondering if you feel there's enough of a difference to justify purchasing Dynatube. Have to say, although i canreamp on the XT, i love the idea of just plugging synths, B2003 (oh and guitars ;0) in the SCOPE environment. All we need now are some effects pedals.

Hopefully CW will listen about the big GUI problem.

voidar · Post by **voidar** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:07 am

I've found that the only way to really get the mesa real tight and articulate is to boost it, like you might do in real life.
A PEQ4 with a big boost around 1-1.2K really helps.

I hear people do this with their Pods too.

I feel I can get some usefull sounds out of this now. Even though there could be some improvements, the dynatube stuff definitely replaces the VST stuff for me.

By the way. Vinco DT is a leveling-amplifier simular to the De-vice Level-devil.
Just reduce and makeup-gain

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voidar · Post by **voidar** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:12 am

Let me just paste in something I wrote on http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 35#1806335

I did a clip.

It has been released now. So I spent some time with the Rectifier simulation as hi-gain is what really interests me.
It doesn't sound very amazing stock, and I suspect this is because Creamware modeled the amp in the tube-rectified/"spongy" setting, which is really a big hands down when they market this as a hard-rock/metal simulation. It thus is almost essential to run the master low and boost the input with either a pedal or some EQ. A 12dB boost around 1-1.2KHz to the dry signal really helps.

Here's a death-metal quicky I did with drums and some processing (comp+EQ) to back it up:
http://www.home.no/voidar/mp3/daumetl_dynatube.mp3

So my guess is, this software can yield usable results and I would say it's in league with what else is out there, if not better. That's how I feel, but I am partial to the Creamware SFP-platform as a whole, so.. Smile

And yes, from what I have heard of the other dynatube simulations, they're good. But I feel hi-gain is the real test for amp-sims as a whole.

Also, thanks Stige for his accoustic drumkit.

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katano · Post by **katano** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:39 am

On 2006-04-17 04:37, Mr Arkadin wrote:
Hi katano, thnks for the review. i'm an XT Pro user too, and i was wondering if you feel there's enough of a difference to justify purchasing Dynatube. Have to say, although i canreamp on the XT, i love the idea of just plugging synths, B2003 (oh and guitars ;0) in the SCOPE environment. All we need now are some effects pedals.

for me, it was worth to buy, here are the pro's:

- i could now have it all in my computer, instead of routing signals back to my podxtpro for reamping.
- i could use as much amps simultaneous i want or till all dsp's are used.
- i could always record the "dry" guitar signal in the sequencer, that gives me more flexibility at the stage of mixing, 'cause i could always change the guitar/amp sound to fit well in the mix.
- in my ears, dynatube sounds more realistic, less digital than the pod.
- good wide warm overall sound (may come from my tube channel strip dbx376)
- nevertheless you could use all your external guitar effects (if you have enough i/o's) and as all uf us scopers know, with the high flexibility of routing as you like.

contra:
- if you want to play dynatube on a gig, you have to place your computer instead of the guitar rig behind you
- distorted sounds need some improvements in modelling
- no stereo mode, except you use two virtual amps
- needs to much space on the screen
- i think you need a nice non-coloring preamp (doubt my dbx376 tube is the first choice). i'll later try with my tfpro16 and the sansamp DI driver

that's all folks...
roman

katano · Post by **katano** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:00 am

I did a clip.

hey voidar!

thanx for the clip! banging, oouuh, have to stop, my neck

http://www.cropment.com

you double tracked the guitars, don't you? have you tried to use different amp settings for left and right? I think you could get way more out of it.

nice hint with the boost stuff. What did u use as a preamp?

cheerz
roman

voidar · Post by **voidar** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:11 am

Hey katano,

cool.

Yeah, just simple left/right double-tracking. I ended up using the same settings for both, but yes, I did experiment with using different cabs (JM + MB), though I ended up with straigh MB. The marshall amp is a little thin on it's own, but maybe with a boost.
Anyway, the possibilities are virtually endless due to the SFP arcitechure.

And I've only had this for a day really. It would be cool to be able to bypass the amp though and just use the cab/mic sims.

I used my Groove Tubes The Brick. It's a fairly transparent tube preamp running on high rail-voltage.
There is just a hint of mid-range colour, but would be cool to try something neutral.

Also, I'll check out that link, hehe.

katano · Post by **katano** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:28 am

hey voidar

i got a nice death metal guitar sound this way (if i remember well):

i took 4 dynatubes, bundled two of them to get 2 stereo channels. the two stereo channels panned one left and one right, about 80%. 1 Stereo Channel had a dynatube mb brutal and a jm heavy (both slightly tuned). i used the original cabs assigned to the amps. on the other stereo channel i used the same settings with a slightly different mik position. on all 4 dynatubes, i used vinco and p100 on the stereo channels. then double tracked for the left and right stereo channel... amazing

voidar · Post by **voidar** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:18 am

Cool

. I guess I should try that out some time. I bet that setup would exhaust all my 12 DSP's though. But it's kind of nice to really have to work for the tones like in a traditional studio setup.

But you essentially ended up with 4 mono-channels per performance, 8 files total or? Kinda overkill

. But who knows.

Dynatube is heavy on the DSP if someone out there wonders

. About a stereo-instance of GraphEq per loaded device.

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