pc setup for Drumkit form hell superior

firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:44 am

http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/det ... ?sku=TT103

this huge drumkit gonna need 1.5GB Ram and 1.8Gb processor. so i will need at least 2gb ram and least 3.2gb processor for all together. or is there any other way like have a separate pc as sampler.
**Does anyone has a separate pc as sampler?
plz reply with your setup.
** is it possible to run the 2nd machine with Luna and bring 8ch via ADAT to 1st pc(pulsar2)
*** does it gonna make difference between 1066mhz vs 800mhz processor? does they match like 800Mhz processor with 1066Mhz mobo?
thanks

firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:07 am

do you think latency will be under 25ms between 2 pc (one pc will be slave and will use adat port for sound coming)
thanks

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:14 am

I remember someone once talket about a multi-pc set-up. Yes, you can send sound back and forth between the computers via ADAT if you have the ADAT-extension on the Luna. I see no reason why this should not work. Timing will be within the limmits of MIDI.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:51 am

Why don't you get BFD? It disk-streams so you won't need as much RAM. Once you load in a big DFHS kit you won't have much RAM left over for other things at all.

It sounds more natural than DFHS imho, and you can even convert some of the DFHS stuff into BFD format to use thru the diskstreaming engine in the BFD plugin.

firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:37 pm

@Immanuel i understand no one has 2 setup as im thinking. so its better not to go for 2nd pc. better buy a srb 14 dsp rather than a luna. and a hi speed pc with good ram for sampler.
@darkrezin thanks for the info. will check their sound.
thanks all

Me$$iah · Post by **Me$$iah** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:22 am

I use BFD and its great..I dont use DFHS, but Im intregued.
Darkrezin,
how would you convert files from the one prog to use with the other...I love BFD and if theres more kits available for it then I want to get em.lol. I got the XFL expansion and that was an amazing addition, but more drums again...amazing...how???

Messiah

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:50 am

firubbi

The things you compare are very different:

a) extra medium speed PC with Luna Card
b) new high speed PC with Scope SRB

I do not know your current PC, and that will have to be taken into considderation. But cost-vise your are really comparring very different stuff I think. I believe there is a big jump from a to b in terms of expense. It is always nice to have everything in one machine if you plan on gigging with the stuff. Is it worth the extra cost? Will it be worth it in other ways? I don't know. I think both solutions will work. But then ... I know very little about sampling and about what it demands from a PC. Better get some more comments.

firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:40 am

Thanks Immanuel. ill have to discuss with Z people before jump over and do a mistake

people around me/producers in our country.. they all upgrade their machine with pro tools le and some with motu. so my clients want me to upgrade my pc...

they don’t want to understand sound .. all they know mac5 or p4 3.7 ...so on.
so i want to upgrade and build a machine that will keep me on the competition for next 4 years. and 1066Mhz bus should be the one like Mac.
** my current setup:
- P4T mobo (don't know bus)
- Pentium 1.4ghz processor 64kL2
- 1gb RDRAM(400bus) -
- Pulsar2 and got Mix n master last month

Thanks

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:17 am

On 2005-07-21 03:40, firubbi wrote:
... they all upgrade their machine with pro tools le and some with motu. so my clients want me to upgrade my pc... they don’t want to understand sound .. all they know mac5 or p4 3.7 ...so on ...

I see the point - the big pretender way

some quotes to be useful (hopefully):

ProTools LE means limited edition

...you don't wanna produce on something crippled, will you ?

Scope is DSP supported like the full ProTools - maybe different sound flavour, but definetely same quality (some even prefer the Sharc's special sound)

On a 1066 MHZ Memory bus the chips themselves are still operated at some 200 MHZ.

Such a bus probably is an advantage if lots of small code pieces are prefetched by the CPU, but for your sampler app I'm almost certain that your Rambus system is faster because it constantly has to access main memory.
Tell them your system has specially optimized Ram for the sampler job.

Opposed to Immanuel I'm convinced that a dedicated mid speced machine is more effective AND keeps things more simple than one high powered system.

And in front your customers you could point at it and say: well, it's just 1.8 GHZ, but all those cycles are dedicated to one application (and not 2 or 4 ), it's less sensitive to heat and if the sampler runs amok it doesn't drag the complete system down.

cheers, Tom

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:57 am

On 2005-07-21 01:22, Me$$iah wrote:
Darkrezin,
how would you convert files from the one prog to use with the other...I love BFD and if theres more kits available for it then I want to get em.lol. I got the XFL expansion and that was an amazing addition, but more drums again...amazing...how???

Messiah

In the registered users download page, there's a tool called 'BFD from Hell' and also another one called 'Imperial BFD' - these convert sounds from DFHS and Scarbee imperial drums to BFD format. It works pretty well (I only have tried the Scarbee as I don't like the DFHS sound).

Re: XFL... what were you expecting lol

I have it and the detail is great, I hardly ever use the original BFD drums any more. If you want weirder stuff maybe you should look at 8 bit kit ? The audio demos are pretty neat. Otherwise the Scarbee and DFHS things are also drums (DFHS has percussion but the BFD importer won't work with this yet).

Post by **garyb** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:20 am

astro's advice is good. your customers may be a little nervous that you don't have a major buzzword machine, but if the sound is awesome, they'll never leave you lonely.

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:43 am

ProTools LE kind of sucks anyway. Full ProTools with DSP cards is ok, but the crippled LE edition really isn't anything to write home about.

Someone I know got a Digidesign MBox, which was bundled with all sorts of "special-digidesign-edition" software like plugins and Ableton Live. Problem is, most of the software is only useable with the hardware it came with (upgrading your soundcard? Well. Need to upgrade the software also.) And in the case of Ableton Live, it's also a crippled "limited edition" that has much lower maximum track count than the full Live version. It's more like a demo than actual usable software. Want the full version? $$$. So what you get isn't 1000$ of free software, it's some demos, a few plugins and rebate to get full versions of some software.

All this talk about people switching to M-Audio/MOTU + ProTools LE is kind of funny. I'm not sure how fun it's going to be to run a full studio with ProTools LE. More hamsters falling for stupid marketing ploys.

It doesn't even support VST natively, needs a wrapper.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:28 am

I totally agree. However the PT software is pretty good for audio editing. Not much fun for MIDI though (although I hear they are going to change a lot for v7).

But yeah the hardware dongles are an absolute pain. I wish they would just let it use any ASIO hardware (IMHO this must be what they've done with the M-Powered version, they just crippled it to only work with M-Audio ASIO drivers).

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:03 pm

On 2005-07-21 10:20, garyb wrote:
...your customers may be a little nervous that you don't have a major buzzword machine, ...

oops, forgot the main part.
ask them if they want to be produced like everone on average (or 'limited') gear - or if they want THAT special creamy sound only YOU can offer.
the thing isn't labeled CREAMware for nothing...

take advantage from CWA's broadcast engagement !
tell your customers that CWA is in the tradition of German broadcast technology.
That Telefunken and Siemens gear from the 50s-70s that's currently sold on eBay for horrendous amounts.

and don't be shy - you can afford a small portion of arrogance, but even better you behave as if it was the most normal thing on earth to produce like you do.
Be self confident - customers DO notice this and will respect you even more if they come with doubts (that's normal too), you predicted a certain result (easy with Optimaster) and they see their dreams fulfilled

you probably have to control that a bit, so they don't get all of you at once for barely nothing

you'll make it, Tom

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:13 pm

Absolutely.. individuality should be valued and encouraged. This is why I like to use a wide variety of gear, and not the obvious stuff.

One guy I really respect is Steve Albini, and I don't even like rock or most of the music he produces. His production techniques are amazing though, but the main point is he refuses to use computers at all, and sees them as anti-musical devices - everything is tracked to tape. Sure I may not agree with everything he says but at least he has some character and individuality!

firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:52 pm

you predicted a certain result (easy with Optimaster) and they see their dreams fulfilled

Oh my god.. talking about Optimaster. its a mind blowing software. Trust me i came back to competition after buying Mix n Master.(everyone should have this pack) i not a good engineer but Optimater put me on the top. customers will bug anyway

i know those who bought LE will be sorry soon. without the power of dedicated dsp its really crippled.
ill put optimaster on every ch after buying a srb

and im a Disciples of creamware and will die with my pulsar card in one hand. but its true that im in a bad shape if i want to use vst sample like BFD. i have RDRAM which is ok but the processor cant take much (p4 1.4 the first generation p4) and i cant change to 2.4 or 2.8 coz of motherboard need to be change too.
thanks all

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:21 pm

a properly designed sampler needs close to no CPU power - I've run the original Gigapiano on a Celeron 333 without any glitch.
the CPU is needed for native effects, which you're probably not going to use anyway as the SFP fx are better quality (usually).

but be careful with too much mastering candy - it's tempting, but quickly wears out

cheers, Tom

Me$$iah · Post by **Me$$iah** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:30 pm

DarkRezin,

Cheers dude, I never visit the BFD site so didnt know these tools exist.Great. I also love the detail in the XFL expansion and am really interested in getting the 8-Bit kits also.
The only problem is as a new CW user, I've just learnt of the sound quality of these pulsar devices...so unfortunatley all my spare cash for plugins is gonna probly end up going toward things other than extra BFD drumkits at the moment....then theres those ASB boxes and always more DSP's....Damn creamware....they gonna bankrupt me.

heh, I guess the 8-bit kit can wait.
Thanks for letting me in on the BFD tools tho
I dont have DFHS nor am I likey to buy it, but I had to know... Ive always wanted to sample my own drumkit to put to the BFD format, but have absolutly no computer skills, and thus not the knowledge to do so.

Cheers
-Me$$iah