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Does anybody know what they are using to do that prolonged first vowel effect , like a fade in on the vocals

for instance
I need you .. would sound like HAAAAAAAAAAI Need you.

? maybe there is some plug in ? or one preset in them .

I have logic pro 7 on a mac
and cubase sx3 on a pc

thanks

I think I know what you want.
Try time stretch one a vocal sample.
I am sure logic has some thingies to do that.
Kontakt from NI can do such things too, just load your sample into the time machine mode and automate the time and soft factor to the mod wheel and play around. The time in your fingers

I can´t speak for the sts 5000 but I guess it can do such things too.

Anyway, I am sure that the effect you want is a time stretch effect.

Like in the movie Matrix, when the silver liquid enters his throat and his scream freezes.

cheers

and if thats not what you mean, you can try cutting out that first wowel of the sample, reverse it, apply a long tailed reverb, reversing it back and pasting it back to its original position in the wave

The effect Chris is talking about is definitely a time stretch fx , but is not what I'm looking for (thanks anyway Chris)
the one i say is like a smooth prolonged beginning of the sentence that applies only on the first vowel :

for instance :

CHRIS time strech fx would be like ( HAAAI LOOOVVEEE YOUUUUUU ) very slow and more metallic (like the matrix or armand van helden fx in spin spin sugar)

while the fx I'm talking about is like

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAi love yoy
where tha Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa fades in

I hope I'm more clear !

I was oriented more on a different kind of approach , like an early refrain parameter or predelay from some popular plug in..

because every time I hear it in a different track it sounds the same , so it must be an fx that has a preset that does that.

It is most used in house music or tribal progressive situations.

Interesting solution from Piddi,which understood perfectly what I need but too slow and tricky .

I know some of the producers that did this trick lately and they are really too dumb and lazy to get in the detail at sample level manually.

I don't ask them because they are the competition, infact I've come to you guys in PlanetZ as a scope owner , in confidence
:)
Maybe is the space designer in logic ....
or maybe the predelays in ohmboyz ?
I 've tried some of them but the result is just close but not quite the same

In the meantime I'll try Piddi approach.

thanks !




<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: maurizior on 2005-06-21 10:26 ]</font>

There are other timestretch approaches that would work...most noteably Celemony Melodyne.

or some groove boxes actually, tho I don't have one.
I first thought Maurizior was talking about that -to me- very annoying deep throat start up phase of every today singer's textline, suggesting a very tortured heart, oh so emotional, yerrh
Compression on the vocals push up that natural 'effect' to the front, but I guess I'm wrong and we are talking about some time stretching effect, what else could it be

Maybe the person who is asking the question could post a sample of this so that we get a better picture??

So as not to give much away in terms of recognising where it has come from, just edit it so that we only hear the "fade in" and the first word maybe??

Just a thought, then someone is bound to identify it in here...

...but to me it does sound like the inverse reverb effect which the STW I-100 (or A-100, can't remember which one) is capable of something similar without manual processing if remember right from trialling the demo.

[EDIT]: If a sample is to be posted, i think it needs to be left in the 'Music' forum of Planet Z and provide a link to that in this thread...

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: deejaysly on 2005-06-23 05:22 ]</font>

piddi's way seems the way to go...
are you sure, if your competition is dumb and lazy, that they don't use samples prepared by someone else?

Try this...take a voice sample, reverse it, apply reverb (record that), then reverse once again. For best results, only select the ending part of the sample when applying the reverb.

This is an excellant voice effect.

Sorry, should have read piddi response, it is very similar.

Yes, piddi and DementiaT are right.
I think this is the only way to do it. I know some tracks too with samples/voices with this popular effect.
As far as I know there are no plugins to achieve this same specific effect. The only way to do this, correct me if I'm wrong, is creating it manually in a wave editor like cool edit, soundforge or wavelab. It works just perfect

good luck!

cheers

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: ChampionSound on 2005-06-24 03:55 ]</font>

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On 2005-06-24 03:52, ChampionSound wrote:
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"The only way to do this, correct me if I'm wrong, is creating it manually in a wave editor like cool edit, soundforge or wavelab".
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Well, you DID say 'correct me if i'm wrong'.
The truth is, that this is quite an old technique. Piddi was the first to semi-nail it.
At can be done as Piddi & others describe above & for most people with todays tools, it's the easiest way.
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For the record, however, this method was used by the Beatles & other 60's bands, by using multrack tape techniques, not samplers. They recorded the vocal to a tape track, played it backwards & added reverb while bouncing to another track, where it would be reversed back to play forwards again, but this time with the rising reversed reverb tail. It may also have been possible on some machines to 'overdub'. I think that covers the basics of the original method.
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You can hear this technique done quite well in the Chemical Brothers latest release, 'The Boxer' if i'm not mistaken.
Hope that's what you're after.
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Cheers

Yep, what Piddi said is the most simple method of achieving this effect, if you want to get more technical with it you can also use crossfades and timestretching on multiple parts of the effect to achieve a more interesting result.

And then if you want to be a semi scientist you could use granular synthesis to achieve a similar and even greater effect more to the likes of what BT does to many of his vocals.

You can hear samples of what I mean in a track I have posted in the music forum called "Where you are" the intro vox is mangled with bit crushing and granular and also the break down aswell.

Cheers!

On 2005-06-21 09:31, maurizior wrote:

Does anybody know what they are using to do that prolonged first vowel effect , like a fade in on the vocals

for instance
I need you .. would sound like HAAAAAAAAAAI Need you.

? maybe there is some plug in ? or one preset in them .

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Any chance of those example samples gracing our ears Maurizior ??
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Could just be a decent filter you're after for all we know.
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with more info, we may be able to help.
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Cheers

a reverse reverb and some compression may do the trick. better would be to just reverse the "iii" syllable in the example. you could put that slice in it's own track with it's own reverb for extra effect or leave it where it was and automate a verb on an aux or insert. a reverse reverb might be cool there as well. or use no reverb, it's all a matter of intensity, but it's a reversed vowel that makes the effect, afaik.

i really meant to post this on tips&tricks a couple of years ago, as a general tip. but since this thread has gone this long, ill do a quick guide now:

oh and please move this to "tips&tricks", as this is more a general soundprocessing thread than a scope general one:)

here goes:

the reason there is no simple effects (be it VST or scope) is this: you are asking for an effect to be applied to an audio signal BEFORE it is recieved. therefore this is an effect that CANT be done in realtime (without a 5 sec pdc that is) in a sensible way.

the way i described it is sort of deliberate and easy. easy because markers in every modern wave editor will stay in the same position after the cut if u paste the cut to A NEW WINDOW. therefore you should mark the area you want to process, COPY the marked area into a new window and edit it. When you highlight the window of THE ORIGINAL sample, in general u can just press CTRL-V and timing is perfect.

the DELIBERATE bit of this is that i HOPE ia made ppl think: "well, this sort of brings creative opportunities!"

it should, try applying echo, delay and everything you have in your effects section as an introduction to a verse etc. using this techique before aplpying reverb etc makes wonders.

have fun, go mad.

To get a fast result, you can also try it with lots of early reflections by muting the dry part.
For preparation copy a snippet of the sample, which contains the "aaaiii" to an earlier time position (usually not more than half a beat), zoom into it and slice it into as much as possible parts with the same length. Now shorten these slices, so there's a gap inbetween each. Copy the shortened parts into the gaps and again shorten the snippets, if there is no gap left .. some kind of manual granular sythesis
Send them through an early reflection fx by muting the dry part and automate the volume of the track to become louder.
Use some more ER with filters/distortion to achieve different sounding early reflections and a more dense soundspectrum.