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Greetings,

1st Ill start with my question towards wsippel. I am trying to determine if my XazerIII Lan case is dead, I just finished installing all my components "except" the CPU, which is on order and will be in my possession in 12 hours. Now when all the wiring was done I decided to see if everything was getting power and tried to post the computer to see if the mobo would start up and take me to the bios..

Now here is the main thing, when I press the power button on the case, absolutely nothing happens, I losened all the cables from the tie straps and tried to find the missing link, but for the life of me have no idea what it could be. I have the EL inverter connected to the PSU aswell as the power cable to the temp monitor, is there something I am missing? will the case do nothing if there is no CPU present, im just totally confused, I have built many systems with out hitch, but this has me stumped.

By the way, what exactly does the EL inverter do anyway? I assume it powers the logo and also the case? Any things I need to check to determine if its user error?

Now for Sinix,

I thought maybe I was not connecting the LED cables correct, the D875PBZ manual is a small few pages written mostly in another language lol, I tried to boot the computer two different ways to see if I would get anything. (1) I had the Power SW led connected to the on/off as the manual describes, then when nothing happened, I also tried in the Power LED.

This case uses the seperate larger Power LED pins, not the 2 pins connected to the rest of the LEDs, am I missing something? I am getting power to the mobo, I can see that, but for some reason the case seems dead, nothing I do seems to have any effect on the system powering.

So in the end, what am I not connecting that is causing this to be, what should I check to make sure things are working properly.

Cheers!

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Basic Pitch on 2004-04-27 22:34 ]</font>

hmm.. I opened my case to take a peek, but it's impossible to really see anything without really breaking it apart (taking all the cards out and the HD bay.

I know with mine the + / - sides of the plugs were very important. I *want* to say that the + side (red) was always on the left (backside - meaning closest to the back of the case) if your looking down into the case.

Try switching the direction of the case connectors and see if she'll boot?

Also, I forget to mention this in another thread...

If you use the same PCI slots as I did - I found it best to use the bottom two USB ports for the midex8 and Cubase dongle as I believe these ports don't share any IRQ's with the Scope card. I think the two top sets of ports (the cluster of 4) shares the one IRQ of slot 4.

I tried reversing the pin,

No luck, maybe the Mobo will not allow anything to happen if there is no CPU present, for some reason I figured it would power the system and take you to the bios regardless of CPU or not, who knows, im at a complete loss here, I guess tomorrow afternoon when the CPU arrives ill throw it in and see, but I just dont get it heh.

Maybe memeory position? I doubt it but I have the 2 sticks in slots 1/3 "1" being the slot closest to front of the case and 3 working towards the back of the case, reading showed that in order to get the dual channel it would have to be in those slots. Maybe im in reverse, its late and im beat, spent all night wiring everything up so clean and then had to tear it all down.

This is like my 7th PC I have built and the 1st time I have ever had a single problem, let alone having the OC completely dead. the mobo is getting power since the green light is on, I just dont understand why powering up does nothing, it almost seems like its the case, but I would imagine thermaltake to have high standards and test there cases.

I also opened the front panel to make sure no cables were pulled out or anything, all were nicely in place and connected.

Sigh lol...

Thanks for trying though

Um no..

You won't be able to do anything without a CPU.. it's kinda essential to the functioning of a computer

Heh,

When yea dark but I would imagine that even with out the CPU the computer would power up and then give me an error message alerting me of a missing CPU, was just trying to see if everything was getting juice.

This case has WAY to many cables between the EL inverter and the hardcano.

Cheers!

I'm pretty sure you have the order of the memory wrong too. I think mine it also 1 & 3, but the reverse order starting closest to the CPU.

I wouldn't think it would show anything wouthout a CPU either? Dunno.. never tried.

Hi there!

AFAIK, most computers won't power up without a CPU. My current Tyan does start, my previous ASUS did not. Don't worry now, you have enough time to worry if it doesn't power up _with_ the CPU installed...

The case can't be dead, the power switch is just a mere button. Even if it were broken, you would get a replacement for a few cents. There's only one thing to check with the Xaser - the power supply for the fan control (should be 4 Molex connectors). This one is really stupid designed, I'm currently thinking about trashing it and replace it with an aquacomputer fan control - I want to switch to watercooling sooner or later anyway, fans simply are to noisy...

And yes, the EL thingy is indeed for the logo, btw.

Sorry for not responding earlier.

Np,

Thanks all, in a few hours the CPU will be here, and I hope things work out, I did try reversing the pins on the Power LED and the power LED light up when the power button was pressed, so I am guessing its tha tthe intel board will do nothing unless there is a CPU present. I figure if pressing the power button will turn on the Power LED then the switch is probably functioning. Unfortunately Intels documentation is amature at best, Atleast Asus includes a small book (manual) the intel docs are a 5 page pamphlet with 1 paragraph per page in english, the .pdf is almost the same.

As far as the fan scenario goes, my Antec Trupower 430 has 2 cables with 2 pins labled "fan" and the Hardcano has 2 powercables with the same matching 2 pin scheme, the hardcano confused the hell out of me. Should I use the fan outs from the PSU to the 2 powercables of the Hardcano? or should I use regular power inputs?

Cheers!

as much as possible,i try to avoid large amounts of current going across circuit board traces,but maybe i'm superstitious....

Well im up and running,

Everything seems to work so far, only PCI card is the Scope card, but I just installed SP4 and whikle it worked flawless on the old PC, this time I have no patches from the instalation and everytime I drag a synth to the routing window, I get a error message, some about about missing midi + something.

Doesnt do it on all synths, but its annoying me so I am downloading SP4 again, maybe corupted when I zipped it to be transfered.

Could this possibly be that read only issue I read about? If so how do I change the folder to be able to work properly hehe?

Cheers!

Ok got all my PCI cards installed, Hyperthreading is running also and all seems to work as intended

I am in the middle of installing masses of audio apps and VST's/Romplers, sometime in the next few days ill push the system and see what it can handle and post the results

But so far all three DPS cards are running fine and my CPU seems to be around 40*C while doing non stop instalations and testing audio, been going non stop for some 6 hours now, so maybe thats a decent temp reading. Is 40*C decent for a P4? Im used to my athlon system running hot as hell

Cheers!

40 degrees is fine for a P4. Low heat and chipset stability are the few things the P4 platform has going for it IMHO.

Basic,

Since initially building my system, I've tweaked the fan controller on the CPU to reduce noise as much as possible. My readings are essentially:

Idle: 39/40C

General Use (i.e. browsing / installing apps): 42/43C

Medium Load (i.e. regular Cubase use): 48/49C

Full Load: (i.e. audio rendering / prime95 stress testing): 54/55C

I think the absolute hottest I've seen the system was 57/58C and that was after two straight hours of the Prime95 "torture" test. Granted, this is pretty hot, but it's still in the green zone, although the very very end, of the Intel cpu meter which I'm sure is a bit gracious.

I'm paranoid about heat, but I've been told over and over by different people (and I keep asking) that these temps are fine and in many cases below normal considering the low noise cooling. I've read *many* individuals posting about their p4 3.x prescotts with IDLE temps at 60C and load at 75C using stock cooling. Ouch!

The Prescott machine I've just built at work idles at 50 degrees (with a Zalman cooler on a low-ish fan speed).