Well, anyone got any updates/feed back on this ?
I am about to buy the Luna II card purely for XTC mode, basically its the best 'soundcard' I can think of for my needs for cubase (I dont record from external sources, i dont need multi i/o) i make electronic music and its all generated by virtual instruments/Reason from within Cubase SX
I would like to take the strain off my pc by having multiple ASIO channels and multiple effects processed by the CW card...
Also, couple of questions :
1) If i have a cubase track with some XTC effects does 'render' render down the XTC effects on the track i heard rumors it does not....
2) How many busses/outputs does/can Cubase see on the card ? is this configurable ... basically i currently have an sw1000xg card with a single stereo out but cubase sees 6 outputs/3 stereo outputs as thats whats internal on the card before the card mixes them and sends them out the single physical stereo out...
3) Is the Luna II an overkill for what i want or is it the perfect card ?
Thanks in advance,
Hope to be a creamware user,
Alan, Dublin, Eire.
Cubase SX 2.0 & XTC
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marcuspocus
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It's gonna render only 'real time', but it's gonna render.
But don't expect to much stuff running on luna, 3dsp is enough for a couple of compressor+EQ + 1 reverb + 1 chorus + 1 delay, that's about it...
And i think Luna is the perfect card for what you want to do. No other card can give you that much flexibility about routing asio channels and midi like this one.
Do you know of ANY other card that can giving you 64 channels of asio2@32bits that you can freely route AND use mixer and effects in real time on it?
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But don't expect to much stuff running on luna, 3dsp is enough for a couple of compressor+EQ + 1 reverb + 1 chorus + 1 delay, that's about it...
And i think Luna is the perfect card for what you want to do. No other card can give you that much flexibility about routing asio channels and midi like this one.
Do you know of ANY other card that can giving you 64 channels of asio2@32bits that you can freely route AND use mixer and effects in real time on it?
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Kewl,
Thanks for that..
I eventually want to save up for the XTC card for extra DSP to go a long with my Luna II giving me pulsar++ but this is all a hobbie for me now and even the Luna II is a big investment for me at this stage long with Cubase SX, especially here in ireland.
Anyone else have Cubase SX 2.0 / XTC reports, lots of people on previous posts were anticipating plugin delay compensation, how has that worked out ?
Thanks for that..
I eventually want to save up for the XTC card for extra DSP to go a long with my Luna II giving me pulsar++ but this is all a hobbie for me now and even the Luna II is a big investment for me at this stage long with Cubase SX, especially here in ireland.
Anyone else have Cubase SX 2.0 / XTC reports, lots of people on previous posts were anticipating plugin delay compensation, how has that worked out ?
First of all let me say "Thank you very much, Steinberg". What you guys have managed to program is really great!
Cubase SX2 is such a great step into future for us Creamware users. The delay compensation alone is worth the money. Why? Because there simply isn't any delay anymore at all! Yes, it always had been possible to compensate with the xtcdelay in the inserts - but what about sends? This problem now is solved, too.
Finally I can use any plug-in or synth without any problem. Even three or four inserts do not cause any delay anymore. Well, of course the plug-ins do cause delay but SX 2 does compensate it perfectly!
After having tested some of my older projects I now can say, that every project sounds better than before. Clearer, tighter, better in time, more "expensive".
Now there is now reason anymore (for me) to use the SFP-mode. Everything (!) works in XTC-Mode. Even the very flexible routing-options of SFP can be done in SX2. And the new SX2-Mixer is much more comfortable than the big SFP-mixers.
Sorry Creamware, you have fine products and I definitively don't want to miss my Scope-System, but I will never go back to SFP-mode again!
SX with XTC is the KILLER !!!
Cubase SX2 is such a great step into future for us Creamware users. The delay compensation alone is worth the money. Why? Because there simply isn't any delay anymore at all! Yes, it always had been possible to compensate with the xtcdelay in the inserts - but what about sends? This problem now is solved, too.
Finally I can use any plug-in or synth without any problem. Even three or four inserts do not cause any delay anymore. Well, of course the plug-ins do cause delay but SX 2 does compensate it perfectly!
After having tested some of my older projects I now can say, that every project sounds better than before. Clearer, tighter, better in time, more "expensive".
Now there is now reason anymore (for me) to use the SFP-mode. Everything (!) works in XTC-Mode. Even the very flexible routing-options of SFP can be done in SX2. And the new SX2-Mixer is much more comfortable than the big SFP-mixers.
Sorry Creamware, you have fine products and I definitively don't want to miss my Scope-System, but I will never go back to SFP-mode again!
SX with XTC is the KILLER !!!
Glad to hear the delay compensation works well. As someone who is working out of a laptop, the ability to scale the ULLI setting all the way back will reduce the strain on the bus and allow more channels.
As for the original hope that the Luna will alleviate the CPU of a few ASIO tracks, I think it should be made clear that the ASIO stuff is CPU only. You'd only be sparing yourself the load of FX or synths that would otherwise be VST. In that case, the Luna may be a bit of underkill.
Most of the SFP FX are very lite on DSP, but even so, three DSPs won't go too far. The Luna is really suited to do one major task well, or a bunch of small tasks. That's why it's usually bundled with EITHER the STS-x000, or the Modular.
You can expect to run a hog of a mixer and maybe one BIG device, & MAYBE a few plugs, and whatever routing you might want. But I think it would be a mistake to think that you'll be able to run FX on like 20 Rewired Reason tracks.
Though having tinkered with Reason, and finding it's FX to suck, and finding that it's lite on CPU until you start automating (at which point it gorges itself on CPU cycles) the SFP system would compliment this setup VERY well. Especially if this delay compensation works as well as advertised, I can see XTC mode really tailoring itself to what you are looking to do.
I'd also look into some of the FX and synths that are free/<$50 as there are some awesome filters, (mastering) compressors, and the like that simply don't have a coompetitor in the VST world without spending >$500. However, most of them, unless they were designed recently, won't support XTC. Saturn comes to mind. You'll have to look around.
I haven't seen how Cubase SX 2.0 routes stuff, but I think that the SFP routing window will still have some life left to it.
You might shop around and see if there's a used Pulsar I for sale, as that extra DSP chip will help and the 13ms minimum latency will be a non-issue if Steinberg's delay compensation really hit the mark.
My $.02
Sam
As for the original hope that the Luna will alleviate the CPU of a few ASIO tracks, I think it should be made clear that the ASIO stuff is CPU only. You'd only be sparing yourself the load of FX or synths that would otherwise be VST. In that case, the Luna may be a bit of underkill.
Most of the SFP FX are very lite on DSP, but even so, three DSPs won't go too far. The Luna is really suited to do one major task well, or a bunch of small tasks. That's why it's usually bundled with EITHER the STS-x000, or the Modular.
You can expect to run a hog of a mixer and maybe one BIG device, & MAYBE a few plugs, and whatever routing you might want. But I think it would be a mistake to think that you'll be able to run FX on like 20 Rewired Reason tracks.
Though having tinkered with Reason, and finding it's FX to suck, and finding that it's lite on CPU until you start automating (at which point it gorges itself on CPU cycles) the SFP system would compliment this setup VERY well. Especially if this delay compensation works as well as advertised, I can see XTC mode really tailoring itself to what you are looking to do.
I'd also look into some of the FX and synths that are free/<$50 as there are some awesome filters, (mastering) compressors, and the like that simply don't have a coompetitor in the VST world without spending >$500. However, most of them, unless they were designed recently, won't support XTC. Saturn comes to mind. You'll have to look around.
I haven't seen how Cubase SX 2.0 routes stuff, but I think that the SFP routing window will still have some life left to it.
You might shop around and see if there's a used Pulsar I for sale, as that extra DSP chip will help and the 13ms minimum latency will be a non-issue if Steinberg's delay compensation really hit the mark.
My $.02
Sam
Just upgraded to SX2 now and, Dolphin, I must say and agree, you're really right!On 2003-09-26 06:31, Dolphin wrote:
Cubase SX2 is such a great step into future for us Creamware users.
Finally I can use any plug-in or synth without any problem.
SX with XTC is the KILLER !!!
Everything (!) works in XTC-Mode. Even the very flexible routing-options of SFP can be done in SX2.
As I'm mostly on XTC I just found a wonderfull improvement in SX2 about the new Vst conections system.
At least for Cubase users (sorry, it's the only one I know) now, after some proper XTC project made, it's possible to configure vst routings.
This means separate inputs and outputs as (well working) presets for any sx project and very easy/fast way to get Input channels for External/Int. sources, mono or stereo, with phase inv., gain, eight inserts, before any desired track to record. The same applies then to tracks, groups and sends/effects which may be routed to diferent master Output channels as well.
So, for me, this seems like 3 diferent mixers rec/mix/out all selectable to run at same time or not, just 1 click far.
Kind of even better than SFP routing in XTC
(I hope I've been understandable)
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I'm no guru, and Mike is right!
But we were talking about XTC and, then what is it for?
I think it's about the process/stage that each one can find himself at the moment and what kind of work and results to get made.
I find XTC an easy and faster way to get first steps learning and for me, as I'm neither a professional nor even a project studio owner, with my budget monitoring system is hard to notice such a diference.
Still, if with not too much connections and a 2448 eat half of my few DSPs it's one more reason to use XTC and join it with native. Furthermore, in my case, I'm just making "mixing aproach" as almost all my tracks are not bounced to audio yet and for now I just would like to get good recording work (VSTis, resampling and my basses).
...and more time would be great too.
Said that, please tell me if I'm seeing wrong though you're still absolutely right!
But we were talking about XTC and, then what is it for?
I think it's about the process/stage that each one can find himself at the moment and what kind of work and results to get made.
I find XTC an easy and faster way to get first steps learning and for me, as I'm neither a professional nor even a project studio owner, with my budget monitoring system is hard to notice such a diference.
Still, if with not too much connections and a 2448 eat half of my few DSPs it's one more reason to use XTC and join it with native. Furthermore, in my case, I'm just making "mixing aproach" as almost all my tracks are not bounced to audio yet and for now I just would like to get good recording work (VSTis, resampling and my basses).
...and more time would be great too.
Said that, please tell me if I'm seeing wrong though you're still absolutely right!