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Thanks sinix !
I don't say miracles will happen overnight but in the long run it could create a big dynamic and plenty of various devices ...
CW would do the heavy duty projects and the third parties the creativity.
If you want to know, I'am really considering buying a Scope SRB to run bigger modIII + Flexor projects.

Back to Prodissey, you must really try the demo and press the record button, some smart things about this synth makes it more than another VA ...

Now if CW makes a VA bundle for 500 $, I'll see what I can do for this Xmas

Different excellent wines to be appreciated sure but after a while ... wine again !!!

Run a poll to see what the users pool wants and not only the loud ones like me !

If not, one day you could be bankrupt for good, for very bad should I say ...

And ... do something about your website, really terrible, look at NI to begin with, except their forums, the rest is rather professional, not perfect but it doesn't say among others : good luck finding the info ( if any ) and not getting lost !

Sorry for the bashing, but it's for helping mainly !


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: decimator on 2003-11-02 15:27 ]</font>

Some interesting comments from Ohm Force re their version vs the Creamware version ...

http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=331091

(see page 4 of that thread *meow* - which is the last page at the moment)

Indeed very intersting post

I'm quoting from the k-v-r forum:

- not possible to use the 'ring modulation' the same way : as it's not a 'ring mod' but an inter-modulation between the two oscillators. The insteresting thing with this system is that when pressing two keys, one osc get the low key pitch, the other the hi key. So that every 'chord' you make will get strange (in)harmonics.
if the synth is polyphonic, both osc of each voice has a fixed pitch, so you cannot get this nice effect.

Well yes, this is true. But it's linked to the duophonic mode which we do not support for the sake of polyphony. It has nothing to do with the implementation of the ringmodulation. Even if you cannot do the same as with the duophonic feature there are ways to achieve the same effect. You can use the ADSR envelope for modulating one of the OSCs, if you use velocity you will have similar sound with similar control over it. Pitch modulation from the S&H is the other way to go, although this delivers random sound.

- not possible to implement the auto repeat on the two enveloppes, nor to emulate the VCA behaviour (the odissey can output a sound even if no key is pressed)

This is also true, but we were able to implement the Envelope Repeat and Auto Repeat feature in a way, so that the most important cases work. To really understand there's a little bit of explanation needed. Repeat on the envelopes plays the envelope in loop at the speed of the lfo, with other words Gate Ons and Offs are produced by the lfo. Auto Repeat simply means that you do not have to press a key, it could also be seen as a manual sustain switch. Well the most important use of these features is that one envelope shapes the amplitude and the other shapes the filter in repeat. With Auto Repeat on the filter envelope it is posible to do pseudo delay and motion sounds. The release time of the amplitude envelope will determine how long the Auto Repeat on the other envelope is active. With Repeat on both envelopes and Auto Repeat activated the orignal would have sounded everly. That's where we had to go a different way, of course only because of the polyphony. So with Repeat on both of the envelopes Auto Repeat is deactivated - Repeat will only work when a key is pressed. I think with sustain pedals and with sequencers this is not much of a problem, because these can easily replace the need for an Auto Repeat. Nevertheless the most important case is supported anyway.

- about the 'drone mode' : i don't know what he is talking about.

Very simple: We left it away. Use sustain instead or set a note of the desired length in your sequencer.

Once you've accepted the fact the synth is polyphonic, you can accept any detail as beeing THE important thing.
It's a shame i don't have CW hardware, i'd really love to compare the two, particularly on this point.
In the Oddity, as soon as there is a 'loop' in the signal point, for example the mixer modulating the filter freq, the dsp is updated every sample, which seems quite accurate.

So this seems to be a sample based model. Well there still exist models that are more acurate, just like ours and analog synthesizers I think this really comes to account with the modulations. Although that I cannot say what exactly happens, I have the fealing that this comes from aliasing in the modulation path, which of course blurres the modulation to a certain extend. We update more often and therefore have a more defined modulation.

BTW, i am not saying the Prodissey sounds bad (it seems to sound pretty good). Unfortunately i cannot test it for now, i'd like to answer a more important question : does it sounds like the original?

I'm also not the guy that want's to conclude that the Oddity is a bad synth. It certainly is a big step forward in the VSTi world and does a good job in making the people more aware of sound quality again. And to answer the question: Yes, except for the duophonic thing we really do sound like the original!

Best, Matthias.

Uncle E: Feel free to crosspost me again

And ... do something about your website, really terrible, look at NI to begin with, except their forums, the rest is rather professional, not perfect but it doesn't say among others : good luck finding the info ( if any ) and not getting lost

I hope you are kidding. NI's web site is awful in my opinion. The home page is so crammed with information - it lacks basic good design. While Creamware's web site could use some help, it is better than NI's mess. I am sure there are much better web sites out there to model off of. The key is keeping the structure as simple as possible - and not cramming too much on any one screen.


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I agree about keeping the structure as simple as possible and not cramming too much info on one page ...
I have no 10 /10 site in mind for everything, NI except maybe it's front page is rather overall decent to me ( I maintain ) but not a model from far.

They all should think of a potential new user viewpoint : I just know nothing when I enter, I want as many questions as possible to be answered , very thorough FAQs ( the Z is a mine of questions and answers, of problems solved or not ... etc )

The FAQ of the Kyma ( hmmm !! ) is quite thorough

SFP is blah, blah ... uh ?

I don't remember a full screen capture showing some projects and explaining, some decent presentation for the non sect member.

You have to DL some manuals I guess ...

Okay OT off and I still want a VA bundle !!

Minimax + Pro one + Prodissey for between 450 and 500 $

Interesting discussion about the Odissey, it's nice to open the lid !

Okay OT off and I still want a VA bundle !!
Minimax + Pro one + Prodissey for between 450 and 500 $

That would be cool. And also a modular bundle... Modular III (update or the whole thing) + Flexor.

And third, physical modelling bundle B-2003 and six-string (and soon coming (E)Piano)...

Just wanted to chime in and say good job Creamware!

I was **just** on the verge of buying Oddity...and then BAM!...out comes Prodessey.

Sounds great...and definitely a different set of textures than Pro One or Minimax.

I love it.

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I think the Pro-Odyssey is brilliant. I can certainly tell the difference between the sounds it makes and say, the Minimax and Pro-One. Each of those has a very detailed sound. There are definitely sounds that each can make and the others can't. I advise learning to actually edit the patches before saying 'they all sound the same'. I've been trying for years to coax those sounds out of my generic 80s and 90s gear. If you want a program where you hit one key and it generates some techno beat for the whole song, this isnt the software for you - the focus is on the notes themselves. Quality over quantity.

welcome to planet Z, liquid

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