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there's no wrestling!

if the data is admittedly fake,it's fake. there is no subjectivity involved. a lie is a lie. that's why it's called a lie. gee, did Clinton have sex with that girl if she performed fallatio and he stuck a cigar up her or not? prevaricating by trying to blur the boundries of reality won't change facts.

now they're saying that the Chilean earthquake has shortened the period of the Earth's revolution. there's another climate shaping event that has nothing to do with humans, unless it was triggered by HAARP or some other science fiction scalar weapon...

also, these graphs don't disagree wit any of the other graphs, the just show pattern over longer periods of time. what happened to the ice age that we were going to be in the middle of by now?

The bloke in charge of the university of east anglia climate change cabal is being questioned by the brit parliament . They aren't allowed to ask him too many searching questions because he's close to a nervous breakdown apparently . Jeez whats wrong with "I dont recall"

skwawks wrote:The bloke in charge of the university of east anglia climate change cabal is being questioned by the brit parliament . They aren't allowed to ask him too many searching questions because he's close to a nervous breakdown apparently . Jeez whats wrong with "I dont recall"

Probably shitting himself in case he ends up like Dr David Kelly.

garyb wrote:... unless it was triggered by HAARP or some other science fiction scalar weapon....

yup
would explain the reports of 'pink' skies, etc.

...and yes, the climateers LIED.

Anyone who actually wants Cap & Trade obviously doesn't own their own property, or buy their own insurance or even groceries for that matter.
It makes no sense to vote to raise your own taxes, or de value your own property.
And as far as the Humane thing to do..............Wanna be Humane...???
Go collect canned food for he homeless, or protest in the capital to help push through programs that actually have an impact like the banning of plastics.
So I do understand why those who have nothing would love to see these programs implemented.
You know what kills me??
These Scientists are so smart and have these super high IQ's, etc.
Why weren't they smart enough to realize that offline Databases are how you can have privacy, and there's even a course that Microsoft has online for free on the basic use of a Firewall.
So if these " smart " folks are suppose to try and design my future, I think the elite could do better recruiting.

yeah possibly the same result as Kelly.... the thing is they would have got there by diametrically opposed mechanisms as in one wanted to tell the truth and one didn't . It's not hard to guess which one was more threatening to the state is it

In their words:

"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?"
- Maurice Strong, former Secretary General of UNEP

"A New World Order is required to deal with the Climate Change crisis."
- Gordon Brown, British Prime Minister

"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony... climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world."
- Christine Stewart, former Canadian Minister of the Environment

"The data doesn't matter. We're not basing our recommendations on the data. We're basing them on the climate models."
- Prof. Chris Folland, Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research

"It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true."
- Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace

"Unless we announce disasters no one will listen."
- Sir John Houghton, first chairman of IPCC

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z0h50aJwRv

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stardust wrote: still wrestling ultimate truths here

for some of us it's a way of life.

braincell, because you can just ignore hard evidence in your face that shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are in error, and then, because you insist others share in that error, i dub thee "brainwash".

no one's perfect, and i'm a fine example of that, but you are reaching a level that can only be called asinine, and i should know...

and so i call you on this hand, and raise you, thusly, because this one's for you(you'll notice that i still did not upload another copy just to have my fun, but that i used the img tags. you need to do the same if you want to keep posting the same images over and over. save server space!):








-btw-the folks who put together the data that the IPCC used to claim man-made CO2 is the cause of catastrophic global warming were caught manufacturing data to fit the theory. that's the point of the thread.

I'll suggest a better idea, if you're interested in keeping some rebuttal to his images just look for the tag on the right with the text like "Posted: 03 Mar 2010 01:03" (a little note icon next to it). You can just right click and copy the post url from that tiny image and make that a sort of 'signature' for your posts in this thread or something. An efficient way to refer back to the images for anyone who cares and won't require nearly as much scrolling.

I would like to urge anyone who wants to post an image to avoid copyright violations. Copyright law is well established and is not something open to interpretation as some have suggested.

Since 2001, 32 national science academies have concluded that global warming is real, it is man made, and it poses a threat. That is evidence enough for me. People who have suggested otherwise lack the credibility to convince me otherwise. You can't compete with this kind of a consensus. In science, we prove things by repeated and varied experiments the results of which come from different organizations (as stated above). Using totally different methods increases the credibility of findings. That is why any sane person must conclude that the evidence is now overwhelming. If you don't agree with this, then you are not a totally sane person.

braincell wrote:I would like to urge anyone who wants to post an image to avoid copyright violations. Copyright law is well established and is not something open to interpretation as some have suggested.

Since 2001, 32 national science academies have concluded that global warming is real, it is man made, and it poses a threat. That is evidence enough for me. People who have suggested otherwise lack the credibility to convince me otherwise. You can't compete with this kind of a consensus. In science, we prove things by repeated and varied experiments the results of which come from different organizations (as stated above). Using totally different methods increases the credibility of findings. That is why any sane person must conclude that the evidence is now overwhelming. If you don't agree with this, then you are not a totally sane person.

You're a status whore!

XITE-1/4LIVE wrote:Anyone who actually wants Cap & Trade obviously doesn't own their own property, or buy their own insurance or even groceries for that matter.
It makes no sense to vote to raise your own taxes, or de value your own property.

that's the true american spirit! Fuck the environment, as long as your taxes are low!

Ok I know, cap and trade is not the answer to climate change, and is actually probably mostly a big fraud. But if so then I guess that's a better reason to be against it rather then "omg it raises my taxes" right?

Somewhere, at some point, someone will have to pay the bill for the damage we've done.

King of Snake wrote:

XITE-1/4LIVE wrote:Anyone who actually wants Cap & Trade obviously doesn't own their own property, or buy their own insurance or even groceries for that matter.
It makes no sense to vote to raise your own taxes, or de value your own property.

that's the true american spirit! Fuck the environment, as long as your taxes are low!

Ok I know, cap and trade is not the answer to climate change, and is actually probably mostly a big fraud. But if so then I guess that's a better reason to be against it rather then "omg it raises my taxes" right?

Somewhere, at some point, someone will have to pay the bill for the damage we've done.

Typical response for those unaware that the GUYS CURRENTLY PUSHING CAP AND FARCE, AND CARBON TAXES ARE THE GUYS DESTROYING THE ENVIRONMENT!

Raising taxes without reciprocation accomplishes nothing. Our current debt proves it. Taxes go to pay back debts from goberment waste. We still don't have good education and infrastructure is crumbling. You can pile on more shit, and it's still a pile of shit.

If there's no tax incentive for the private sector to fix the problem, then by the time government gets their hands on it it's too late.
Regulation is a band-aid after-the-fact, and the regulators have NO integrity in regulating themselves.

Classic misunderstanding of the US taxation system by European structure (which is similar, but with no incentives). You may have windmills, but at an extra cost that otherwise wouldn't have been necessary.

Noone will adopt any solar, wind, etc. without some benefit. If it all goes to profit the companies while we just pay taxes (to add to their profits), then there is no incentive or benefit.

We have a pseudo-socio-fascistic government structure NOW, and people are brainwashed into thinking it's the way to go.

Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic is JUST change - not wholesale transformation, which is what is required.

BC's favored scientists are the ones now caught in a lie. Go ahead and buy into it, since you're paying for it anyways.

Sitting around armchairing in your bedroom waiting for your loving government to take care of you, and blaming the Republicans for not feeding you your Democrat handout (classic bait-n-switch fiasco) is not a solution. You become a puppet. It kills you in slow motion. People suffer, and all you're left with is blame. Nothing will get accomplished. THIS is the insanity.

Greg

stardust wrote: But if you can prove that you have been alerting evil elites, own a ultimate truth and are a patriot US citizen you are officially exempt from paying anything.
Thats for the rest of world.

Ok you may also be only EEalerter and have ultimate truths.

One finger points out, while 3 point back.

It's very safe to play both sides and sit back and determine character traits and buy into stereotypes and media brainwash, but none of this will benefit you or anyone else.

BC's 32 scientist hand-maidens were caught in a lie.

All anyone is left with is calling it insanity and blaming others.

It's YOUR choice to live in a loop and lie or not.

Time to wake the fuck up.

G

stardust wrote:Very dramatic.

All I read is self pity and denial of ethical responsibility.
They are to blame.
They did.
They have to.

Sure it is an american libertarian tradition to fight authorities, worship the capital and exaggerate the ego.
Aren't you brainwashed yourself then by being so obviously selfreferential and ignoring the rest of world's pluralistic reality - again ?

Again, your perception is 180deg WRONG.

I've taken all the responsibility possible, including putting solar panels on my roof as I write.
You point at the pointers.
I don't worship capital. It's called leverage. The government is not the one building the panels and putting the panels on the roof, so they don't deserve to get a percentage for doing nothing, when all they'll do is put it in their pockets. That's not blame or irresponsibility on my part - that's reality. Evidence shows. Court cases in progress.

I am of the world rather than being ruled by it.

YOU have NO IDEA who or what I am, or what I've done with re: to US politics and environmentalism. Your perception is that this is ego. Very shallow judgement, so whatever.
Those that have experienced what I've experienced, and know what I know are not egomaniacs. They're realists (and many are now whistleblowers).
I don't care if anyone thinks I have an ego or even if I'm an asshole. I know the difference.

Again, the scientists lied and now admit it.

Paying penalties, carbon taxes, cap-n-trade, 'green fees', etc. will do NOTHING to fix the problem. No incentive to fix leads to no fix.

G

stardust wrote:ok got it. How could I overlook that you are the good guy and the others are to blame.
If everyone would be like you we would be save.

I guess thats an immanent problem of the internet texting.
One can spread anything here but noone will see the tangible good.

YOu can take it as me BLAMING you - I'm not. If it's personal, then that's your issue.
I WILL however, blame the polluters, and profiteers, and false naysayers - that are now being sued here locally (as just one example).
Your perception is scewed.

G

stardust, way to change the subject again! nice one acting like you care about the environment and so you support this taxation even while admitting that it won't save the environment. then when others tell you what THEY'VE done to be more responsible, you mock them to avoid the fact that although you talk a good game, you don't care enough to actually DO something with any real imact in your own life(besides pay a useless tax). you need to try to make others look as stupid as possible to keep others from seeing you own hypocracy, or at least that's how it looks to me in this thread. again, you ACT like you really are concerned, enough to insult and denegrate those that disagree with you as selfish,but what DO you do EVERY day to lessen your own impact? please put it in another thread because it has nothing to do with whether temperature and CO2 data were faked(they were! it's NOT denied only spun).

it's not about who is to blame though, although personally, there's NO reason for ME to pay penalties for bad environmental policy. i'm NOT the one who made irresponsible products and then encouraged everyone to buy them. i'm not part of the strata of society that has the biggest benefit from those products. i gain neither wealth nor power through them, except that devices like automobiles and computers allow me to participate in the present society, an ENGINEERED reality(which is reality, not necessarily someting scary). for me, they are a convienience at best and an annoyance the rest of the time.

but that's not the point of the thread, who to blame. the point is that the theories about global warming being a man-made disaster are using made up data to prove that, and that's not my opinion, that is an admitted FACT. "global warming" as a crisis that WE should have done something to prevent is a FICTION.

if you look at long term climate HISTORY, the earth has MANY times been as hot as we are supposed to be fearing, and no harm was ever done by it. it's part of the natural cycles.

here's the pictures again for those who have trouble with english:








oh, and brainwash, ALL OF THE USES OF IMAGES IN THIS FORUM COME UNDER THE HEADING OF "FAIR USE", SO....

i guess the real question is when will the world start coming to an end?if it hassent already. will this happen in our lifetime?