Getting back on Scope... or not?

[garyb]

no. if it's not broke, don't fix it.

[Bud Weiser]

no. if it's not broke, don't fix it.

cool,- thx !



Bud

[petehalo]

I've decided to sell all my Creamware gear after I bought a boatload of software from IK Multimedia's 25 year group buy last week. I think the 200+ GB of SampleTank5 samples and Amplitube5, T-RackS5 and other virtual gear will keep me entertained for the next few years.

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[the19thbear]

After frustrating struggle to get the Ryzen 2700 / B450 mobo / M-Audio Lightbridge communicate reliably over ADAT lightpipes with Pulsar cards on the old XP machine I was almost ready give up but then I got a c. 10 year old computer (i7 2600K / P8H67M Pro) free of charge from a friend of mine and decided to have a go with it and the 15 dsp card and installed a 500GB SATA SSD and fresh Win10Pro 64bit and Scope 7 in it along with the 15dsp card in the PCI slot on the motherboard and a 6 dsp card connected to the PCI-E slot using the PCI-E->PCI adapter. I was pleasantly surprised that the SCOPE environment loaded nicely with both of the cards showing up in the dsp meter window and seems to work reliably while running a DAW benchmark project in Reaper even at the smallest asio buffer. Unfortunately with my main DAW Harrison Mixbus there's problems while trying to get the DAW started with Scope ASIO drivers.

Hi:)
I'm a bit confused. It seemed that you said earlier in the thread that the PICE to PCI adapter didnt work, but now it works? I only plan on using 1 card.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08B34LBCR

Thanks

[valis]

They always work, the question is always in how your system deals with the slower timing of the PCI bus and giving the Scope card the data it needs. A Gen1 card has less PCI bandwidth to deal with, and is a bit more sensitive on timing.

In the past we used to set a default PCI Bus timing in bus clock cycles (clks) in BIOS/EFI or adjust the card itself on the fly using a variety of tools, but most haven't worked since the WinXP/Win7 era, so in a modern system it's entirely dependant on how well the other system peripherals in your given build play with (and 'get out of the way of') your Scope card(s), as well as the timing implemented on the adapter. PCI bus clock cycles are NOT equal to PCIe, so there is logic and a buffer to coordinate between the two on these risers.

[the19thbear]

Ok. Doesn’t sound too peomising the. Thanks for writing.

[Bud Weiser]

... the 200+ GB of SampleTank5 samples ... and other virtual gear will keep me entertained for the next few years.

Sorry to see you go.

B.t.w.,- there´s no Sample Tank 5 avaialble from IK Multimedia up to now.
"Sample Tank 4 v2 Max" was the latest "on sale" upgrade,- and I bought that too.

No way I´m able to recognize IKM products replacing a Scope system,- PCI or XITE.
This is just only comparing apples and oranges.



Bud

[fra77x2]

Bud there are all type of users out there.

Think that a user replied to someone after a 4 years old post, to a person that "replaced" scope with a sample player...

And asks him for advice or whatever. It is great fun.

You even checked if the product was real or sometype of mis-information. I am curious why "IKmultimedia" is even named in planetz.

A lot of rich stupid preset checkers in the world

[Bud Weiser]

I agree to all your lines above.

But, together w/ a SCOPE system, the IKM ST4 stuff works very well,- last but not least because it´s still compatible w/ Win 7 x64,- and delivers some instruments not being available in SCOPE at all.
We´re covered w/ synths and FX in Scope, but also need APs, EPs, brass etc. ...

Others, like NI Kontakt, deliver such content too.
But IKM ST4 is significantly faster loading than NI Kontakt 6, 7 and 8 ever did,- and ST4 has a great working "live mode".
The IKM Product Manager application,- surprisingly also still compatible w/ Win 7,- is also way better than NI Native Access 2 in it´s past and current state.
Win 7 compatibility was the reason I bought when it was on sale for about 53 bucks just because I already owned the Rhodes mk V and Clavitube libraries I bought "on sale" for less than 10 bucks each before,- making all a "no brainer".

Only when Scope STS worked in 64Bit and loaded as also converted from/to more file- and program- formats, other brand sample players would become obsolete,- well ... almost.

[fra77x2]

I see your point, I don't use romplayers, because if I need brass a. i would synthesize brass type waveforms b. go for the real thing. If I really need brass then there is no point putting in a fake one.

But to have a variety of known sounds I can see why people are interested on such instruments. It can make a person press a button and a huge orchestra comes out you know its kind of a magician trick that turns zeros into ones or something. But then it requires some tact when comparing things.

[valis]

IK Multimedia has good stuff. My Micromonitors have saved me since living in this smaller space the last year, I cannot use my 12" sub and 8" mackies right now for fear of shaking the other occupants of this small house (even if they are my children). Surprisingly accurate and ADAM has followed suit with their own offering now which has my eye.

Same with Amplitude, I have plenty of other options for this (some even outboard, or Scope) yet I still use it plenty. And I'm not ashamed to loop a Rompler, bounce that and throw it in as a sample. Heck, I even have some ancient 'soundpacks' that I got from them in a cheap bundle, and have made sure I migrated them as best as possible by keeping old systems around that can load old (outdates) software. It sucks when the auth servers become the norm, we're going to lose a lot of good software in the next 5 years as I expect companies to start phasing out from this era.

Plus if you have a disdain for rompler users, just wait until Suno/Udio/Riffology users start making the top of the charts.

[fra77x2]

I do not dig them. Do whatever you like of course. For certain stuff like low production value stuff they are perfectly fine even a necessity.