what scope 5.0 needs? poll

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what does the new gen. scope need?

Poll ended at Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:45 am

XTC mode enhanced
2
3%
Pci-e card
16
28%
new sfp enviroment
10
17%
xtc and sfp mixed mode
16
28%
new devices
4
7%
Tiger sharc chips
10
17%
 
Total votes: 58

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Post by dawman »

Can I get a 15 DSP chip Solaris?

Just kiddin' Chief.

Thanks for the explanation, it is always nice to get the scoop from you on anything CW / SC related. I look forward to meeting you in person finally at NAMM '08. UE has been sold, so I am just free as a bird there to fly around and swoop down on unsuspecting inventions.

Will there be a SonicCore booth, or is this a JB / SC booth?


I have dreams of a hardware Solaris dancing through my head nightly !! :D
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Post by johnbowen »

Hey Jimmy!

re: NAMM - actually, even though I applied with plenty of time ahead in early August, NAMM has told me there are no booth spaces for me!
I'm still waiting to see if a cancellation happens so something will open up, but for the moment, I'm on a waiting list. (and it would be a JB Synth Design booth, not a Sonic Core booth. SC won't have a booth there - only in Frankfurt).

-john b.
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Post by dawman »

Thanks Brosky.

I am sure someone will bail. I know of one already.

Good luck to You Sir.
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Post by johnbowen »

Stardust,

You are correct! At NAMM I will still have the first hardware proto (without the joystick, etc., but new code, at least). Messe we will have the final version hardware & software (well, mostly, but there's always the desire to add new things in software!!).

cheers,
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Post by Herr Voigt »

An additional wish: a bugfree sts-sampler. And it should be able to read Kontakt- and Giga-files (including disk streaming).
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Post by skwawks »

A manual with an extensive and comprehensive step by step how to guide
i.e what is going to happen when you try to.....use a synth....save a preset ....make an sts instrument......typical things that a first time user is going to want to do but wont know how to .

midi control settings that just save when you save a project .

warning messages that are ALWAYS on top :)
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Post by bcslaam »

I'm hoping Scope in the immediate future (ie v5) will have

1. Better digital sync behaviour. I'm sick of having to jig things every startup to get my 9 ADAT i/o to sit right. (I have sync plate and house clock)

2. GSIF 2 (or 3) drivers.

3. A way of telling how many samples delay there has been added when inserting devices in the chain (including 3rd party ones). ie a plugin that you can add that gives you a delay value that you can compensate for in your DAW.

4. More midi control capabilities. ie use of 14bit and sysex. Thus more remote control support. Handshaking. Parameter feedback

5. Vista support I guess. I'm not in a hurry to use it tho. Using XP happily. Thing would change if GSIF/giga and VST4 go Vista only. Then I'd be forced to bite the bullet.

6. It does seem to be very finicky ASIO implementation. More solid ASIO drivers, like Soundscape.

7. The same goes with wdm.

8. Better DSP distribution. Always getting uneccessary overloads and cross board behaviour.

9. Better handling of older boards and their combination with newer boards.

10. Bring back the 3x ADAT i/o plate. At a reasonable price. Or allow more than 3 boards per system.

I'm hoping Scope in the not to distant future will have:

1. 64bit internal headroom. Scope is a really good mixing environment. Improving its summing and bit headroom characteristics would go a long way in the pro industry.

2. New generation sharcs

3. PCIe support. Or if there is another architecture change ahead. Anticipate it and jump in early. (skip pcie if neccesary) This would also go a long way marketing wise.

4. Mac OSX and linux support.

5. Multiple MADI i/o options.
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Post by hubird »

I agree to the mac OSX supprt thing :-D
but man, you have problems I never experienced! (as a problem at least :-D
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Post by MD69 »

A PCI channels usage gauge above the DSP load view!

cheers

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Post by hifiboom »

osx drivers?
linux support...

hey its a 4/5 men team, this would be in no way rentable...
we should be happy to see vista drivers....

and its not just a driver, what about the sfp software iself, it has to be ported also......

I would expect many other things but no osx support or even linux drivers...
In no way rentable...
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Post by Shroomz~> »

Totally agree regarding seeing SFP on Linux. That ain't gonna happen. No chance.
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Post by reader »

I would like to have convolution a reverberator in the environment of SFP.
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Post by astroman »

c'mon - that probably lured more buyers from 6 to 14 DSP boards than we can imagine... :D
No high class 3rd party would jump on the old developement system anyway ;)

cheers, Tom
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Post by hubird »

I think OSX support will last another three years at least.
SC has to earn a lot of mony first, the ASB's and the new Vista support will hopefully bring this.
At some time SC will then jump on the PCI-e train, as they don't have much choice, commercially.
Only then there's real urge for OSX support, as it looks close then.
I still believe they'd like to have OSX support.
i think at the moment they might have not more than one mac developer in the house, for the ASB software and the running mac stuff (?).
It will all depend of the revenues of the next three years.

Linux? 12 years or so?
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Post by siriusbliss »

ASIO 3.0???

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Post by bcslaam »

Did you notice that the osx/linux wish was on the second list?

ie still a way off and just hoping!

Regarding the sync behavior. It seems there are others that find it finicky as well. ie needs jigging sometimes. I have posted before, trying to solve these problems and also asked Creamware/SC in the past. I've had no real help. So this was another attempt be noticed.

The PCI usage meter is a good idea.

Does anyone know if it's possible to make a plug that can tell you the sample latency introduced by plugs etc so that is can be compensated for. So phase problems can be further avoided. Would this involve a change to the platforms software?
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Post by borg »

*midi usb devices directly into scope
*modular bugs ironed out
*delay fx timing/sync bugs ironed out
*plugin surface cycling/remote open/close (no mousing){edit:got it working now, but devices don't always open where they were closed}
*preset handling of some devices updated (like dynatube)

as a tech illiterate i see no reason to talk about the hardware as the poll is about scope v5, not the hardware it runs on.

i'm already very happy with my scope system... prodyssey, spaceF, wavelength and the sdk guys make my day every time i fire up scope.
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Post by dodge »

Hello,

Just noticed this thread. How about the following from a hardware point of view:

* Scope software running on a standard PC or Mac;
* Communication with an external box using TCP/IP with a UTP cable. A standard in communication that can still last a long time to come;
* You can send audio or device data over TCP/IP and store the data on solid state drive (flash memory) for instant recall;
* No harddisk drive because of noise;
* External box is basically a PC on it's own, but without a generic OS. So, no stability issues because of whatever OS specific problem;
* On the PC or Mac side: No need for drivers of any kind other than TCP/IP. However, no XTC or ASIO either...;
* Plug in as much DSP cards as technically possible in the chosen form factor;
* Choose from various I/O boards, just as you would do now with a PC or Mac;
* Route the I/O to whatever system you already have in place or use the built-in main outs to connect to any audio system;
* Most of us will probably have other I/O cards or a hardware mixer, so it's not absolutely required to have a PCI-e or firewire 800 or 3200 interface;
* Built-in RAM required for sampling and/or FX.

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Post by krizrox »

garyb wrote:5.0 just needs a few fixes and updates, which are well known, like syncing to 88.2khz, full mackie control implementation and vista drivers. that will allow the company to move forward. anything else is gravy, so suggest/wish all you like.

i wouldn't break a good thing just to have any of these suggestions including pci-e and the latest sharcs. it'd be nice to see the basics stay as they are, scope works exceptionally well, sounds great and still has no competitor. i'd like to see these suggestions as augmentations. i'm really glad to see people write about pci-e cards in the future rather than firewire....
Agree 100%
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Post by rhythmaster »

--> Tempo synchronization for all devices in XTC Mode to the host-software
--> Cubase 4.1 (and all versions before) doesn't remember the latency settings.
I have to set it everytime (default set to 25ms)! The modifying of the config-file doesn't work :-(

two of my suggestions.

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