What about the P5K C ?

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:18 am

Ho yeaaa… the list goes on… here it is a new contender in the run:

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Mot ... uctID=2534

My only worry here would be the new Intel G33, because I don’t know anything about it.

Anybody running a Scope board with the G33 chipset round here?

Anyway, it doesn’t seem to have a big difference with the P35 platform, except for the way that it handles graphics.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:12 am

garyb wrote:
hubird wrote:It depends on how you look at it.
A 2ndh. G5 (Motorola) mac would do the job already.
a motorola g5 is inferior to the current g5, at least running osx and definitely running windows.... the computer that Nestor is building is equal or better to the top of the line g5(at least running windows...) with a better graphics card, same chipset, cpu, hard drives, etc.

this is correct as a general assumption.
yet there may an exception if a 2nd hand machine comes with a full set of applications and graphic hardware for video editing.
admittedly - not very likely, but from time to time such boxes (may) show up.

though outdated and 'inferior' from hardware according to todays standards, yet they may be able to do the job significantly faster.
Of course this is in no way restricted to outdated Macs - an outdated PC with the proper setup would qualify as well

I'm pretty sure Nestor cannot afford a top of the line video editing workstation built from current hardware, a 5-figure investment.

Nestor, the gigabyte ga-p35-ds3r you linked on the previous page is very nice, as the PCIe slot for the graphic is distant from the PCI slots.
Drop us a line about the task you're trying to perform in video editing, then it would be much easier to identify a proper piece of hardware - or use PM if that's confidental.

cheers, Tom

Post by **garyb** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:30 am

astro,
no doubt. just speaking generally.....

Cochise · Post by **Cochise** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:03 am

Nestor wrote:
Cochise wrote:I wasn't be able to find a large perspective image of the P35-DS3R...
Is that what you need?

BTW: Owners say the build quality of the board os second to none. It is one of the best build bords you can buy.

Thank you very much, Nestor.

Just...I meant a picture by which is possible to estimate the height of the northbridge heatsink. Although looks like it spreads itself more in width than in height, compared with the Intel one.

I'm considering this GigaByte as my probably next board.
The only thing giving thoughts ( to me too) is the lack of IEEE 1394 port. Since I wasn't able to find a PCIe x1 firewire expansion board...

Cochise · Post by **Cochise** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:23 am

Just found one.

http://www.cwol.com/firewire/sonnet-all ... t-pcie.htm

Just it's 64 Euros... I can buy a new CPU cooler maybe at the half of that price...

It seems I've to build up quite a completely new machine, not just mainboard, CPU and, at the most, cabinet.
Most probably are needed RAM, cooler or Firewire interface...

If I gonna get a G33 based, therefore without needs of moving the graphic card from my current mobo, I'll have two working machines... but it begins to be too expensive...

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:04 am

Yes, me too need the 1394, so I was thinking to get this one:

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Mot ... uctID=2534

It looks pretty good too, but I don’t see any one using it for scope.

Post by **garyb** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:07 pm

too new.
i'll bet $50 it works.(you're gonna owe me $50 when it does...

)

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:40 pm

Well Gary, that would be fair, because a stable system worths much more

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:52 pm

I found these reviews about the GIGABYTE GA-G33M-DS2R LGA 775 Intel G33 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductRe ... 6813128053

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:36 pm

Nestor wrote:I found these reviews about the GIGABYTE GA-G33M-DS2R LGA 775 Intel G33 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductRe ... 6813128053

the few cons I read there seem to be serious for the pci cards, as it seems it gets very hot near the slots.
There is also the one with P35 chipset, with 3 pci slots and without onboard graphics...Nestor, you don't need onboard graphics, right?

Anyway I'm reading all the manual chapters regarding BIOS pci settings and no other board seems to have the bus mastering option for the slots like the Supermicro board.....wouldn't that be greatl for a Scope system?

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:53 pm

Hello Alfonso

True, I don’t need onboard graphics, I was thinking about this one just as several others in my study, but didn’t quite ye decided anything on motherboards.

And you're right about the hitting, as almost everybody says the same thing there, and in other reviews too. Of course, these people tend to overclock like crazy. But this is a dangerous point no doubt.

I will have a look at Supermicro brand, but do you have a specific one you’re thinking about? Cheers.

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:57 pm

Nestor wrote:Hello Alfonso True, I don’t need onboard graphics, I was thinking about this one just as several others in my study, but didn’t quite ye decided anything on motherboards.

I will have a look at Supermicro brand, but do you have a specific one you’re thinking about? Cheers.

Yes:

http://www.supermicro.com/products/moth ... /C2SBE.cfm

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:06 pm

Thank you, I'll read about it.

I’ve just come across a very comprehensive review about the GA-G33M-DS2R, and the main problem is “power consumption”, which is about the greatest out there, and this is what causes unfortunately, heat. It is right now out of the list...

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:10 pm

I’ve searched all the mayor shops, no Supermicro boards, not even one! I found only a server chassis from this company.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:37 pm

What seems pretty interesting to me, while I go studying one mother board after another download their respective PDF manuals, reading reviews, etc., is that the market increase in quality as a whole, in terms of components and general quality. Of course, I’m talking about the BIG brands like Asus, Intel Gigabyte, Supermicro, Abit, MSI, etc.

Quite a few years ago, buying a wrong motherboard it was to buy a “bad” product, and you have to be very careful because. Good high quality boards were very expensive, while low quality boards where cheaper.

Today the market it seems to work in a different way… perhaps it is a wrong perception, but it seems that almost all motherboards are pretty decent today, and prices correspond much more to their amount of add-ons than to quality. Of course, there is more quality in a high-end board at $400, but if you look well, the difference in quality is negligible. What it seems you are paying for today, is expandability and features.

Just a thought cos I pass my day reading right now, I need to build this new system as soon as possible.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:41 pm

Cochise, here you have the rest of the pictures you need of the Gigabyte P35-DS3R

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:55 pm

Do you trust this brand? I would probably need to get one of this, as the mobos in my list do not have 1394:

http://ayagroup.com/product.php?product ... stseller=Y

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:42 pm

Have a go with this FANTASTIC link, this is what I needed to know exactly how many watts, it is perfect:

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:22 pm

Nestor wrote:Do you trust this brand? I would probably need to get one of this, as the mobos in my list do not have 1394 ...

it's not much in quantity, but our server runs on Gigabyte P4 boards and I use one for developement - no complains at all, it's aquality brand anyway

cheers, Tom
(nice mobo pics, btw)

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:25 pm

astroman wrote: Drop us a line about the task you're trying to perform in video editing, then it would be much easier to identify a proper piece of hardware - or use PM if that's confidental.

cheers, Tom

Thank you for your concern!

Well, you know, it is not only about the video editing staff. I would rather say that we need a powerful multimedia workstation. We need to do video editing as we need to be able to handle big Flash files. Some times work with very heavy files that once they’re rendered, are nothing but a couple of mbs, but while you’re working you may go up to 200 or 300 mbs, because of frame rate, effects, moving objects and amount of layers.

I think I am pointing to the right direction, as I pass my day reading reviews and making decisions. The most important thing for me, is to understand everything “first hand”, I don’t feel comfortable with something I don’t understand by myself, life is more difficult yes, but more interesting too…

Then of course, I need it for audio in all senses: composting, mastering, editing, etc., but this is not an issue, it has never been in fact, since I had the Pentium 4 2.4 GB. I can imagine that for music this next machine is going to be… well… plainly of power, I guess that more power that what I need for it.

Then we work with Photoshop and that can be pretty heavy, it is easy to have a gigantic work of art of about 350 mbs, and with our computers we have to wait for several minutes per click… literally… These posters are then printed for big publicity spots in CMYK, you know, for the street and things of the like.

So, conclusion, we want a system as powerful as our money can buy.