EMagic Logic for windows to be discontinued!

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Mon Jul 01, 2002 4:41 pm

Well said Nestor. We need a CROSSGRADE STEINBERG!!!!! To CUBASE SX. Hurry. Help. Onto another FORUM.

Neutron · Post by **Neutron** » Mon Jul 01, 2002 4:54 pm

Yay! they want us to buy more expensive obsolete hardware to run the same software slower. I think i will soon be a new steinberg customer. This is good news for steinberg.

In apples new advertisments the people say "i am to stupid to use windows so i got a mac" well guess what! quite a few people are not.

[ This Message was edited by: Neutron on 2002-07-01 17:58 ]

The Z Station · Post by **The Z Station** » Mon Jul 01, 2002 5:00 pm

C'mon Creamware, I hope you're paying attention to this...

This is an opportune time to take the limelights! You've got the hardware, supply us with the matching software!

Maybe, make a pact with Steinberg to be the prominent Pro-Audio WinPC specific platform!

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Mon Jul 01, 2002 5:31 pm

If we cannot get a CROSSGRADE from STEINBERG to SX how about donating that Emagic software, manuals, key and all to a College or Music School in our respective Cities? Make some music teacher HAPPY. Some poor child would benefit. I would be doing so shortly. I don't think I want to read that BLACK BOOK again. What is the colour of the SX MANUAL?

The Z Station · Post by **The Z Station** » Mon Jul 01, 2002 5:48 pm

In apples new advertisments the people say "i am to stupid to use windows so i got a mac" well guess what! quite a few people are not.

[ This Message was edited by: Neutron on 2002-07-01 17:58 ]

Ha ha! That's just about what they are trying to convey eh! Quite ironic though that the guy telling his Mac story is, himself, a computer programmer, but, I suppose that doesn't mean anything...

I'm not putting the Mac down or anything, as long as there are music tools to make music with, that's cool with me! But, I can certainly custom build my own PC! - Can't do that with the Mac....

And, Windows isn't really that bad, anymore...

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Jul 01, 2002 5:52 pm

On 2002-07-01 18:00, The Z Station wrote:
C'mon Creamware, I hope you're paying attention to this...

Yes, I'd also like a 32-bit 96khz TripleVDAT with some tracks for midi/automation data.
Can't be that hard... I mean seriously, I wouldn't want Steinberg on board.

Apple's hardware isn't that bad at all, to say at least.
Those rack-mountable units shurely won't have all those familiar chipset weirdo issues.
Apple allways had a strong position in the media market except for audio: that was completely left to Digidesign in the early years.
Imho with Emagic they aquire knowledge to fill their gaps.

cheers, Tom

The Z Station · Post by **The Z Station** » Mon Jul 01, 2002 6:03 pm

Creamware should now consider their new Concept DAW...

I think a killer tripleDAT overhaul is:

Quantum 24 Pro? (Quantum leap from tripleDAT)

- tripleDAT skin over VDAT's engine
- modular in design
- stability
- fully designed and optimised for SFP X and CW DSP hardware engine with the option of a "Classic Mode".
- 24bit/96KHz rates
- a fresh new tripleSKINS or tripleMASK (user-definable, able to assign colours, user configurable layouts). For those creative producers, you'll be able to create your own customable skins - make it look like ProTools, Cubase, or Logic?!! based on Chameleon Interface Technology!
- Tool Control: Allows for creating new faders, knobs, meters, etc.
- dynamic automation (recordable)
- multiple Sync lock methods (SMPTE,etc.)
- effects handled by SFP
- optimised post production tools for audio and video
- a new CD-R, DVD authoring suite
- a new dynamic user-updatable CD-R/W and DVD-R/W driver library
- a separate sequencer module and MIDI control suite (within SFP's environment)
- Support for Cubase Huston Control or Logic Control
- support for multiple audio formats
- network with other tripleDAT/Quantum *
- aggressive pricing: At $1000USD, I'd definitely get it!

With SFP handling the softsynths, effects suites and routing, CW needs a good sequencer and digital post audio to complete their product line!

That way, Logic, Cubase, et al will just be 3rd party options!

[ This Message was edited by: The Z Station on 2002-07-01 19:06 ]

orbita · Post by **orbita** » Mon Jul 01, 2002 6:04 pm

No rackmount macs that you can fit full length dsp cards into though! In fact, I heard you cant fit the older generation of scope cards into them either cos they are about an inch too long.

scary808 · Post by **scary808** » Mon Jul 01, 2002 7:14 pm

Oh my God ! I just bought Logic PC two weeks ago ! I'm still learning how to use it. I feel violated.

The Z Station · Post by **The Z Station** » Mon Jul 01, 2002 8:00 pm

On 2002-07-01 20:14, scary808 wrote:
Oh my God ! I just bought Logic PC two weeks ago ! I'm still learning how to use it. I feel violated.

I got mine about 2-3 months ago. If I only waited a week, I could have gone Cubase SX.... Though still, no regrets.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Jul 01, 2002 8:06 pm

I just bought an emagic midi interface specifically because it works better with logic audio. I am steaming mad. Everyone call and write Apple at 408-996-1010 (corporate headquarters). Why would they want to give up 35% of the emagic user base simply because they hate windows? They bitch and complain about Microsoft yet Word works on either platform. Now Stienberg Jones can go back to not innovating very fast like they used to do. I HATE APPLE COMPUTERS!

brain1 · Post by **brain1** » Mon Jul 01, 2002 8:07 pm

subhuman- i agree logic 5.0 is good- but Cubase SX is brand new (v.1.01) utilizing the best of VST/32 and Nuendo -and will be consistently updated to suite all of our needs PC and MAc users alike! Cubase SX is kickin ass for me- a few bugs but the guys at steinberg are working hard on this release and i am happy. peace

RedSun · Post by **RedSun** » Mon Jul 01, 2002 8:25 pm

Now that they've been bought out, if only some of the developers would go to work for Creamware to help them out with a SFP sequencer...

RedSun .:.

Neutron · Post by **Neutron** » Mon Jul 01, 2002 11:34 pm

On 2002-07-01 18:48, The Z Station wrote:

Ha ha! That's just about what they are trying to convey eh! Quite ironic though that the guy telling his Mac story is, himself, a computer programmer, but, I suppose that doesn't mean anything...

Actually he just says he is a programmer. I think he programs VCRs and microwave ovens at walmart

The Z Station · Post by **The Z Station** » Tue Jul 02, 2002 12:01 am

On 2002-07-02 00:34, Neutron wrote:

Actually he just says he is a programmer. I think he programs VCRs and microwave ovens at walmart

Hmmm. You've got a point there buddy!

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Tue Jul 02, 2002 12:06 am

On 2002-07-01 14:31, Air_PoLLo wrote:
(I have to admit I laughed when I heard logic was discontinued for the DOS, err... win platform)
MuahahhAHAhahaa...

openly shameless

The Z Station · Post by **The Z Station** » Tue Jul 02, 2002 12:55 am

Well, I suppose I'm gonna have MacLogic tonight... And tripleDAT cheese please!

But seriously folks, as what I told one of the reps at GC, who, incidently, was the catalyst that finally steered me to Logic, (and he was terribly dissapointed himself), I believe that there will be a HUGE backlash against the decision of dropping the Win platform...

I forsee a recant of their decision just because there will be an insurmountable amount of backlash from disgruntled WinLogic users around the globe that will definitely loose their business and loyalty altogether. Otherwise, SX "Wins!".

Kamurah · Post by **Kamurah** » Tue Jul 02, 2002 1:13 am

Ya know....

As a Mac user, (but not a Logic user), I have been scrolling through forums all day.....and they all sound the same.

A lot of people (PC users) are portraying the Apple / Emagic deal like some sort of shower rape scene in a male prison. Although the financial details of the merger have not been revealed, I doubt it was some sort of hostile takeover....and more than likely, Emagic made a pretty hefty wad of cash on the agreement.

I guess what I am saying is:
Emagic sold their company....and Apple bought it. Now, it makes sense that Apple is discontinuing PC products from a financial point of view.

Apple isn't in the PC business......so dedicating manpower and finances for PC products that don't support your core business doesn't make for good economics.
If you (as a PC user) are mad at somebody, then it should be Emagic, not Apple. If you don't like Apple....that's fine. I don't like having people who have never really used a Mac tell me I am an elitist snob using inferior overpriced equipment. Value is in the eye of the beholder.

Apple commercials:
So what if they show people who have switched to Mac? Does that make the new Mac users / old PC users *stupid* or something?

It's just marketing people....

I mean, jeez...if I hear that punk-ass kid say "Dude, you're gettin a Dell" one more time I think I am gonna scream. You want to talk about idiots...now THERE is an idiot!

Ok...
I am sure I'll get flamed, but that's ok

One more thing...and this has really just hit home with me today after reading so much emotion tied into the Logic thing....

If you are a PC user, and you have a working copy of Logic right now...well...isn't it ironic that you are upset over a product that doesn't even exist yet? I mean, doesn't it really just point to how we have all been duped into the *software* scam?
Why should we get mad that we cannot PAY AGAIN for a product we ALREADY HAVE?
Apple buying Emagic isn't going to make you ANY LESS PRODUCTIVE than you are RIGHT NOW. The future is uncertain and doesn't yet exist...the past is the past and cannot be changed...all we have is right now...today.

Think about that.

And for what it's worth....if Creamware WOULD get off their German fannys and make a serious sequencing / recording package for SFP....I'd buy it.....and I'm a Mac user on Pro Tools.

One door closes...another one opens. Simple economics....

Have a nice day all.

Neutron · Post by **Neutron** » Tue Jul 02, 2002 1:43 am

In that case they should stop making quicktime for windows as well please.

The Z Station · Post by **The Z Station** » Tue Jul 02, 2002 1:48 am

Your points are well taken. Business is business and that's a fact. I believe in a free market society and this move happens all the time. If Emagic feels that it will benefit from this, then good luck! But, at the same time, don't expect a lot of those who feel betrayed by this merger to just sit still and be quiet.

I'm not against Apple "taking over" Emagic. It is just the fact that Emagic decided to abandon a lot of us PC users by agreeing to halt any further PC support. I'm pretty sure that support will still continue but there will be no further upgrades for us. I think Logic is quite a potent DAW. Heck, I bought one! But, the fact is, that this move basically is like a slap in our face.

I suppose this sends us back to the basic premise of the old addage of computer platform war again...Yeah, we all go on and discredit the "other" platform, wether OS X or Windows, and even Linux. But I think that non is better than the other (except, of course, the Amiga DE 4.x kills 'em all!!!

) Serously, whatever works for you is what makes you work your best.

However, that in mind, if you can't get the next better technology from the company who gave you a product, then goes away (sounds like the tripleDAT story), then you're forced to go elsewhere and learn another platform and that ain't that easy! Especially, when you have to fight against the current of time!

Personally, I would rather see a new Amiga emerge from its ashes.

[ This Message was edited by: The Z Station on 2002-07-02 03:01 ]