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iSiStOy wrote:

ristof wrote:Well, they answer to most of support requests I make and I've seen worst (Microsoft Partner Source for instance).

Hi,

I'm talking about dealerships, which looking at the website are dwindling rapidly, and I guess you can purchase online but what if something goes wrong, ie the hardware malfunctions, well it's got to be sent back to the Rhineland doesn't it.

Where are you located?
It is not unusual that products need to be serviced by the company that makes these products.Like api-neve-studer...i could go on.You looked here and your country is not on the list?http://www.sonic-core.net/en/buy/index.html

ristof wrote:You know I've been watching this forum for a long time and anytime anyone hints at using the gear solely in XTC mode they are immediately informed as to the contrary.

This is an open forum, people should not have to be brow beaten into a particular way of thinking, that one way is "better" than another.

The evidence is clear that garyb whoever he is has vested interest regardless of how much he helps people which I'm sure he does just like the dude on studionu

I don't agree. XTC is an option, if you want the convenience of using the plugs insider your host. There are benefits going either way.

For me, over the past ten years, I've opted to not use XTC so as to get access to Scope's other features and have the host reside 'inside' Scope rather than the other way around.

It's an OPTION based on a preference of how you like to work.

Period.

Not sure why you're taking this so personal. 64-bit is coming. XTC is an option. Soniccore is a small company with a big development underway.

Having watched at NAMM a few weeks ago what UAD, Lynx, RME, etc. have gone through re: 64-bit developments compared to what Scope actually offers (a full studio environment in a 'box') going forward, it's a no-brainer to me that this is the way to go.

Greg

Fluxpod wrote:Where are you located?

Thank you.

My country is not of concern right now, but what is of concern I believe is that the company that *was* servicing SC customers was put in an extremely difficult position by not being able to access product spares.

This is unacceptable to me as a customer and makes the product inaccessible, not to mention shockingly high prices which I attribute to a bad marketing strategy which at the end of the day hurts everyone, however there is room to change, look at tc electronic, now they are engaging customers on their online forum and actually informing of their plans (not to say SC don't) which is a paradigm shift in the way the company works.

In Sonic Cores' case, they need to assign more representatives to more countries in order to make their product more accessible to the masses and not just those who are endeared to the platform.

well, mr smarty pants... you may not have thought about distance enough
this board has regular readers from New Zealand, Australia, Bangladesh, Russia, the EC, Chile, upto the US and Canada
where Gary B is lurking in his LA spider web in a rather remote location, from a global viewpoint.
He probably couldn't even ship a card for what a used one costs over here.
This board has a 'sales' section, and there is eBay... most cards are sold 2nd hand today.

I'd frankly consider Gary's amount of writing versus an occasinal deal pretty bad in efficiency.
And he's not just writing prosa but thinks about those 'problems' published on this board.
The Scope system is quite easy and obvious to someone with studio experience (after he or she got the basics),
but for all other folks it's a more steep beginning.
Whatever it is - it's way to much talk if you're only after quick cash.

If you consider the system overly expensive, then it's your private problem.
You may be surprised that a lot of (most?) users here have quite a reasonable attitude towards money,
as they have some idea about making their living.
This one got me nervous today, so please save your rants about a humble 3k box.

cheers, Tom

siriusbliss wrote:

ristof wrote:Having watched at NAMM a few weeks ago what UAD, Lynx, RME, etc. have gone through re: 64-bit developments compared to what Scope actually offers (a full studio environment in a 'box') going forward, it's a no-brainer to me that this is the way to go.

Greg

It would be alright if I could actually get it new now wouldn't it without having to purchase online?

astroman wrote:If you consider the system overly expensive, then it's your private problem.

cheers, Tom

It's not my problem, other than I cannot afford to use it due to the exchange rate in effect. May as well just pray that TC Electronic can fill the void with their vapourware.

ristof wrote:

Fluxpod wrote:Where are you located?

Thank you.

My country is not of concern right now, but what is of concern I believe is that the company that *was* servicing SC customers was put in an extremely difficult position by not being able to access product spares.

This is unacceptable to me as a customer and makes the product inaccessible, not to mention shockingly high prices which I attribute to a bad marketing strategy which at the end of the day hurts everyone, however there is room to change, look at tc electronic, now they are engaging customers on their online forum and actually informing of their plans (not to say SC don't) which is a paradigm shift in the way the company works.

In Sonic Cores' case, they need to assign more representatives to more countries in order to make their product more accessible to the masses and not just those who are endeared to the platform.

Haha ok i see....You dont mistake creamware for sc right? A few years back there was a big problem with service for creamware boards as they went out of buisness.Sc can and will service all products.I send them a pro board last year and they fixed it up just fine.And please spare us your theories on marketing...and for tc....awfull.Just awfull for the drivers and generell support for the powercore plattform.They have great plugins but seeing these just not working or causing a million problems is offputting to say at least.Not always the case but ive seen it in so many places....
If your country is not on the list..e-mail them and ask them to suggest a dealer or buy online and be done with it.You are making this whole process way way more complex then it has to be.

I wrote to info at soniccore dot de asking about ASIO 2.2 support and guess what,

Well if anyone had a brain here they'd know the answer.

Anyway, as I have already said earlier the people in my country who were servicing SC technology simply threw their hands up in the air and said "enough" no more will we just be the courier for your gear you can do it all yourself if that is what you really want.

Do you people understand now?

ristof wrote:May as well just pray that TC Electronic can fill the void

Bought a Firewire Konnekt 3 years ago, then I prayed they were able to publish stable drivers, then I've been astonished by the fact I can't use it as a real ADAT rack and then I went back to mama (scope). Not to mention I also posted on their support forums to say what I thought about that... Spare me the TC samples.

well, I gave you an example above of what I'd consider mildly expensive...
in fact it's 10k over what I'd be willing to spend
if the auction is correct - then that's a very unique piece of gear... something that really hurts to miss

whatever exchange rate you may have to suffer from, it can't outweigh the benefits an XITE has to offer.
it's a very simple calculation - and I'm not selling anything

cheers, Tom

ps it's hard to tell about those business relation with no knowledge at all
you only know it from hear-say yourself, or did you read the mail and attended talks ?

ristof wrote:I wrote to info at soniccore dot de asking about ASIO 2.2 support and guess what,

Well if anyone had a brain here they'd know the answer.

Anyway, as I have already said earlier the people in my country who were servicing SC technology simply threw their hands up in the air and said "enough" no more will we just be the courier for your gear you can do it all yourself if that is what you really want.

Do you people understand now?

Not really.But its ok.

iSiStOy wrote:Bought a Firewire Konnekt 3 years ago, then I prayed they were able to publish stable drivers, then I've been astonished by the fact I can't use it as a real ADAT rack and then I went back to mama (scope). Not to mention I also posted on their support forums to say what I thought about that... Spare me the TC samples.

I'm talking about powercore.

And what do you think they'll put into some powercore as an asio driver, if they ever give a try to an "all included" system?

astroman wrote:well, I gave you an example above of what I'd consider mildly expensive...
in fact it's 10k over what I'd be willing to spend
if the auction is correct - then that's a very unique piece of gear... something that really hurts to miss

It's nowhere even remotely the same thing.

We are talking about a DSP platform here, one of many with a few unique properties that this forum tends to have a slant towards.

awww, the mean people trying to help you use the system to it's fullest! how horrible!

btw- there aren't 1000's of employees at S/C, not even hundreds or tens. there are less than 10, so there won't be reps in every country. not unless you want to pay a whole lot more for things....

as to asio 2.2, if there is currently no 64bit version, then...
there WILL be a 64 bit version as long as S/C remains in business, however.

as to the rest, ristoff, with all due respect, you don't know what you are talking about. it seems you know more about computers than actual music making gear(which is not necessarily a shame)....

powercore isn't even in the same class as Scope. for what it costs compared to what you get, it's a joke, although powercore DOES sound great(just because it's not as good a deal as Scope is no reason not to use it).

Scope has NO competition. if you knew what it was, you might understand.

iSiStOy wrote:And what do you think they'll put into some powercore as an asio driver, if they ever give a try to an "all included" system?

As I said, tc now appear to be listening and more importantly liaising with customers, something obviously SC have always done but the point is for me at least that for all intents and purposes SC people may as well be on another planet.

Do you get it yet hint *Z*.

garyb wrote:as to asio 2.2, if there is currently no 64bit version, then...
there WILL be a 64 bit version as long as S/C remains in business, however.

Why don't you ask the proprietors yourself instead of getting on here and telling people what you don't know about, all the while trying to put dirt on so-called newbies.

ristof wrote:

iSiStOy wrote:And what do you think they'll put into some powercore as an asio driver, if they ever give a try to an "all included" system?

As I said, tc now appear to be listening and more importantly liaising with customers, something obviously SC have always done but the point is for me at least that for all intents and purposes SC people may as well be on another planet.

Do you get it yet hint *Z*.

yes, you are being willfully ignorant. is this a race to see who "appears" to be most friendly, or do you want to know about a great product? if Scope isn't right for you, then by all means, don't buy it!