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reflex wrote:

garyb wrote:why should it be affordable for everyone? it's still the cheapest solution out there, for what you get, by a factor of almost 10. anyone who is even the slightest bit serious about music production can afford one or can save for one.

My annual budget for gear is $1200. With a young family, money is always needed elsewhere. So far this year, I've spent just over $150 on software. That means I've got at least three more years to save before I can get my hands on an XITE-1. Of course, in the real world I'll end up having to replace/upgrade existing stuff and it'll take longer.

sure, but there are still pci cards!
i'm not saying a cheaper pci-e product wouldn't be a good thing. i'm sure that it will happen. the regular Scope cards are still great, i still use them!

XITE is VERY cheap, a great buy. it's priced well, actually the cheapest thing on the market by a long stretch if function is factored in. anyone who is serious about gear wouldn't find it overpriced in the least and that's why i made the comment i did, not because i don't think you should be able to afford it. also, what's wrong with saving for 3 years to get something really great?

Even though Xite-1 is relatively cheap for what it offers, for me it's about spending the whole lot at one time. It's like buying a new car, you have to safe money in advance to be able to buy the car of your dreams, haven't you?

Having bought almost every plugin (beside my former 3 scope pros and the A16u) over the last 4 years, I'm quite sure I spent over 7000 Euro for the whole creamware/soniccore stuff. It was nice to have a growing setup, expandable when needed.

So I'd definitely prefer to buy a Xite-Light for half the price and expand it later with a second one via stdm connector.
CAN YOU HEAR ME SONIC|CORE??

Conclusion: As economics are bad even in Switzerland, no Xite-1 for me this year

Cheers
Roman

katano wrote:So I'd definitely prefer to buy a Xite-Light for half the price and expand it later with a second one via stdm connector.
CAN YOU HEAR ME SONIC|CORE??

I'm sure they heard you (and me as well), but why would they screw XITE-1 sales right now?

stardust wrote:And I agree that a new free and professional SDK version is essential in the future as well....soon.

"upcoming". it is "upcoming" now. everybody at the count of three: "upcoming"

Sounddesigner wrote:

reflex wrote:Umm. Scoring #3 in the DSP audio systems category is like having the third best selling New Age Bagpipe album on iTunes.

Some of the items on that list above don't cost too much but XITE-1 is a pricey item. Really large sales usually don't go to pricey high-end items. The above list may be a very good sign since XITE-1 is doing better then popular and far more affordable/less-costly solutions. But no one know for sure about XITE's success or not but S|C.


PS. A vsti developer selling $100 synthesizers need to have a very large amount of sales to compete with a smaller number of XITE's sold. Cheaper items need larger sales and have a chance at more items sold then costly products just cause they're more affordable to many people (but larger sells then high-priced items don't neccesarily mean more success if they are'nt large enough). You may think that the DSP Systems sales are'nt too great but i assure you there is VERY good reasons UA did'nt go Native and released $1400 hardware instead . Hardware is what they like to sell for several reasons and money being one.



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I found some interesting statistics to add to my post. Universal Audio claims they're UAD Platform is the second best selling audio platform in existence and that they have recently reached a milestone and now have over 30,000 users. 30,000 users is quite impressive when we look at the whole picture.
The cheapest uad card is around $500 and the UAD-2 OmniQuad is about $4000, but keep in mind when the old uad-1 was first released it ran for about $1000 iirc. Also keep in mind that many of the users are constantly buying more add-on software plugins aswell. I don't know if they are counting cards sold or registered users, cause if it is the latter then some users have more then one card. Uad is still at the height of its popularity so i expect its userbase will continue to increase to a large extent..Then there is Protools wich UA claims to be second to. So Protools is number one in terms of userbase size and overall sales for audio platforms. I don't have protools statistics but i can only imagine they have quite a large userbase, and protools is not cheap by far. Digidesign also sells lots of add-on software plugins for their dsp platform and have a heavy TDM tax for developers/users. Here's the link to UA's claim - http://www.uaudio.com/webzine/2009/june/new.html


EDITED: UAD-2 Omni Quad costs $4000 not $3500.

And what do you get with UAD as compared to Scope/Xite?

Seems that with all the synths, routing, and extra doodads, that Scope may be the better deal.

I like UAD devices and their quality, but I still think that Xite, with little or no marketing, supposedly being #3 is not a bad deal overall.

Greg

!!! There is a difference of 200€ between France and England !! In France the VAT is higher so I paid 2855 to Thomann for my Xite ! Try to see the price by way of the French flag ! And I thought that it was a good deal !
I do not know how that would have taken place if I had ordered at Thomann england... I guess Thomann must pay the VAT from the country they send there parcels...

+99! warp69!

Well for no developers they're doing pretty good..
I sure would love to see some other developers jumping in, but I sure hope the price of add ons isn't similar to PT, PoCo and UAD.
They have some nice effects but the synths don't sound any better then the VST versions of the same models.
Scope has the synths, that's for sure, but the XITE-1 has an impressive amount of RAM that should attract developers, and I am surprised that there's no developement from SC or anyone else that is taking advantage of this.
Actually I wish Warp69 would be our Reverb guy.
The P100/A100 is the best verbs we have. They all have the same type of sound, but the editing makes a reverb, not these giant tailed verbs with artifacts on the decay portion.
The Early Reflections are where I see room for serious development.
I cannot get a decent ER from Scope yet. I have tried using Gates, dual instances with smaller sized ambience, and so far the A100 is the best, but it still doesn't come close to a Model 7. Which I wish I would have never demo'd. It's a masterpiecr IMHO.
I am happy so far as I have so much content to sift through, and it's an impressive amount.
But if I don't see anything new for the XITE-1 in terms of new development, I will have to start busting some balls at SC.
This box is too powerful to remain in compatability mode, actually a waste of DSP power.
I want effects that bring the 1U to it's knees..............

I sure hope you don't leave us Warp69, but I can't say I blame you.
I will keep my fingers crossed.

XITE-1/4LIVE wrote:XITE-1 is too powerful to remain in compatability mode, actually a waste of DSP power.
I want effects that bring the 1U to it's knees..............

I completely agree.

I'd definitely like to get SC a few moments to at least release the SDK to the devs. so that they can get back to work.

Xite's potential (for bringing it to it's knees) would be turning it into an Eventide or a TC (or other great reverb) at the push of button.

Greg

Warp69 wrote:
It's not a question about me leaving Xite, but more a question about SC has made it impossible for us to develop. I have tried and tried - no response. I gave my plugins (P100, A100, I100 and CD100) to SC for free to help them out - still nothing - no response.

That's quite sad to read. It kinda makes the future not look as bright as it should for XITE-1/SCOPE. If S|C truly have high hopes for the XITE-1 platform they cannot continue not communicating with those wishing to be 3rd party developers for it. I only hope Sonic Core realize this or they may end up running 3rd party developers away instead of bringing more wich is needed greatly, and XITE-1 may not get the success it deserves.

I truly hope S|C are really determined to bring High-End processors and not too much mediocre to the Platform. UA are starting to bring their plugins to the next level (EMT 250, Neve 33609, and FATSO) and Native is improving in synths and effects, SSL has a high standard for Duende also. Sonic Core has to bring next generation plugins FAST. The algorithms standards have been raised out here and the companies truly not ready for war may not survive. XITE-1 has a good start due to the synths left over from Creamware days and certain effects like CD100 and Realtime enviroment, etc, but if XITE-1 Platform does'nt produce the right type of growth as fast as possible XITE-1 may go unnoticed on the market and not endure wich i would hate to see. Or it may be a underachiever. XITE definitely must be viewed as 'a instrument fit for Kings' by S|C, and highest standards as necessity for survival and way of being true to the user-base who supported. A really good SDK for both 3rd party developers and customer-base has to come soon and be viewed as a necessity for SCOPE's success and a large part of what the Platform is all about.. XITE-1 has GREAT potential and it would be one of the saddest story's to see that potential wasted. I'm usually optimistic about XITE-1 and the rest of the SCOPE Platform but to read that S|C ia not communicating with 3rd party developers dampens the spirit a bit. The above are my opinions ofcourse.


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this sounds just like the Flexor problem.

most likely, they really just haven't even had a chance to think about it, and time has slipped away. i'd like to think that just like with the aforementioned Flexor issue, this problem will be solved. i'm sure there'll be a package as soon as they finish v5, or i'd like to keep thinking this. i really don't think that they WANT to lose such a fine 3rd party developer, especially after he helped them out. i can see the danger of things getting stale, too.

i'd hope that you contact Holger and Juergen again, or that they reach out to you with some assurance soon.

This whole constant cycle of new plugs for UAD is O.K. but Scope cards aren't really in need of new names and pictures. They are what they are, the person using them can either make music or make excuses IMHO.
On the other hand the XITE-1 is new and can be developed. Compatabilty mode isn't quite there yet and I suspect once that has been satisfied we will see more development.

btw, I got a brand new uad-1e recently that wasn't registered yet (thus added a 100$ voucher to my account), which isn't that bad for what it provides: some nice dsp-powered plugins.
it's just an addon, but still not a bad deal, after all...

Regarding the SDK availability: lack of communication to the dev community here is not a safe move and with the task list they have, still now, I would agree a 100 times that they finalize OSX driver (not that I own a Mac though), polish V5 and that they meticulously prepare the coming SDK tools. But they must communicate...

What should be a sane plan for all the (possible) incomings?

' I gave my plugins (P100, A100, I100 and CD100) to SC for free '
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i cant hear you people where are you ?


prais him who made such a nice gift to us all vibes from vienna