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Hmmm I don't think Steinb. is malicious to lock drivers support for SC (remamber Cub/nue 4.0 works well). In Nuendo (cubase) forum , if you serch for Creamware, you'll have 89 (345) matches. Forum has 129004 (657447) articles. RME has 1743 (almost 3000) matches. I really don't think Steinb company even think about SC. They care RME, Lynx, Motu, but SC..... Scope Card users is a small community, especially in -pro world.
Anyway, I mailed in Nue forum problem of "cooperation" SFP&newest Steinb. soft
And moderator from Steinberg side wrote:
"Changes have been made to the ASIO protocol for 4.1.
Most likely, these changes have revealed a bug/design flaw in the Creamware ASIO driver.
Of course, it can be a Nuendo bug too, but then almost every other card would have been affected too, and that's not the case.
I'll have a look into the internal Devtrack if this issue is reported, and if not i will enter a bug report for it. "

And after few days he add:
"Please don't overblow this whole issue.
There are no (major) problems found with any of the Sonic Cards, with the exception of the Creamware Scope card.
This card didn't had the same driver for almost 5 years now, and needs to be updated by them.
For that card, the driver update needs to come from the hardware manufacturer. There is nothing that Steinberg can do about this. "

ASIO is Steinbergs protocol. And they can change it (almost) whenever they want to. And job of sound cards makers is to be up to date (if they want stay on the market). I think Creamware/SC set "world record of unupgradeable drivers" .
Regarding possibily lack of XP drivers: I'm not a marketing specialist, but I think SC should rather rebuild trust/support for existing/new Scope users than limit it. Of coure if they seriously think about SCOPE platform.

I wish You (and me) ONLY good news from Soniccore

well that sounds good. of course if they change the protocol it ain't ASIO no more, is it? what a lie! explain this thread: http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=82878

there are Marian, Emu, Fireface800s and Creamware cards with problems there. Steiny has, in the vernacular, screwed the pooch on this one, but it's easier to blame the small manufacturers. they have done this before with problems actually, even before Yamaha, blaming the hardware. soon there will be another patch that will fix what they broke.

well, we'll see what happens. cheers.

garyb wrote:

well that sounds good. of course if they change the protocol it ain't ASIO no more, is it? what a lie! explain this thread: http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=82878

there are Marian, Emu, Fireface800s and Creamware cards with problems there. Steiny has, in the vernacular, screwed the pooch on this one, but it's easier to blame the small manufacturers. they have done this before with problems actually, even before Yamaha, blaming the hardware. soon there will be another patch that will fix what they broke.

well, we'll see what happens. cheers.

I will not explain this, but , belive mi - I'd love to. I hope steinberg will release patch which fix problem, but most likely soud cards manufactures will have to "adopt". Big company is allowed to do more things, that small company is not allowed to do (e.g.Pro tools till now don't read ANY stereo or multichannel tracks - only multimono is allowed. And they don't care about interchange formats including multichannel files, likeAAF, OMF).

Back to Stein & SC: true is:
1.Stein owns ASIO. And if they want to change anything - they just do it.
2.Scope cards wasn't upgraded from VERY long time. Hardware and sotware(!!!).
3. Stein is more trustworthy than SC at the moment for me.
4. I'm not working on SFP & Nue 'cos I just like thier logos, but 'cos till now it works just great for me. BUT I cannot afford to lose compatibility with my clients, musicians and generally people I'm workin' with etc...
5. Maybe (to get succes), guys at SC should ask their costumers WHY they 're still WORKING on SFP - and improve it in SFP5, and more important thing is: to ask why some costumers sold their cards, and don't wan't to WORK with SFP ANY MORE - and fix it (I think they still have lots of e-mails 'cos every card must be registered to get allkeys).

I'm not from Stein side or SC side, just like to work without "technical" suprises

Wait and see what hapens it is the best thing we can do.

Cheers

Silenzio wrote:Back to Stein & SC: true is:
1.Stein owns ASIO. And if they want to change anything - they just do it.
2.Scope cards wasn't upgraded from VERY long time. Hardware and sotware(!!!)...

of course they are free to do whatever they like with it - but then they can't call it a standard anymore
the very same issue probably kept people away from Yamaha's MLAN, a pretty sophisticated solution - but it required custom Yamaha chips

I hate to quote it again, but I have used a low level network driver to connect to an Oracle database server for more than 10 years.
Originally developed under Mac OS-6(!) in the late 80s it followed certain driver and programming standards and did it's job through 6 different operating systems and on 3(!) different CPU types without one single update

do I have to mention it only broke when Apple intentionally changed the network protocol basics to cease existing solutions which still worked ?

the original developement guidelines were absolutely clear about the dos-and-donts with a certification by Apple that a program would never break if it complied to those rules - see the example above - and the parallels ?

all this upgrade and update bullshit is just that - either a justification for crappy work or moneymaking, a jolly good thing as we all know

cheers, Tom

Personally, I would like a release date. Everything in my studio works in Vista now, except the damn Scope cards. "Coming soon" isn't good enough for me. When is "soon" anyway?

I am not well versed in dates for music fairs, but is there one coming with in 1 month? I have no idea at all.

Either Sonic Core will release their new platform this month or wait till the next major audio/tech event.

dragonfly wrote:Everything in my studio works in Vista now

...Except for Vista itself.

Keep it on the downlow but v5 includes a 96khz version of Solitaire and a beta version of 24 bit notepad - use at own risk.

darkrezin wrote:Keep it on the downlow but v5 includes a 96khz version of Solitaire

does that mean we have to prove to be MCSE (Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert) certified ??

Nobody mentioned one very irritating thing: MIDI note off signals randomly not being transmitted. That would be a great fix!