What about the P5K C ?

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:41 am

astroman wrote:ok, not on the topic, but as a sidenote
imho it is very unlikely that the difference between the 2 render modes is based on the amount of memory.

I have to agree with this. I think the gfx hardware you're using is just as important as other factors, possibly even the[/] most important in many cases. Also, it's important to remember that gfx apps often support hyperthreading etc, in which case your long final render times could be cut down a fair amount, maybe even by as much as 20% !.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:34 pm

For people around here, an upgrade like mine means a lot, because the prices of the pieces are not in accordance to our earnings. If you compare rent, food, etc., from one country to another, the differences are important, not to mention earnings...

When it comes to computer components, as they are made all by the same people, well, prices are the same everywhere in the world, and a little more expensive due to shipping and handling.

Sorry guys if I tend to get into deeper and deeper details, but I know that I am doing a big investment for what we earn here, and it is important that everything goes well because it is for a long period of time

Said that, I have more questions to answer…

I was thinking about a big video card, which seems to be one of the best in every respect, performance-price is also extremely good, I’m talking about the EVGA GEFORCE 8800GTS PCIE16X SLI DX10 320MB. I have read about 10 reviews and they all give this video card between 9, 9.5 and 10 punctuation. It is extremely fast and stable! My concern is that the manufacturer stays this:

Power supply, minimum of 400 watts, with 22 Amp on line + 12 Volts.

I have a good power supply: Thermaltake Purepower 420watts. It is extremely good and it renders real 420watts, but will it be enough? The Evga 8800GTS eats, in full load, 307watts! (I guess this is with overclock and all this, which I will not do)

I will use:

3 SATA HDDs
1 DVDRW
5 fans in the case
1 Pulsar 1 Plus
1 Firewire
4 USB
1 Evga 8800GTS video card (300watts!)

Thank you for any idea or point of view

Post by **garyb** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:16 pm

well, there's another expense.

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:23 am

Nestor wrote:
3 SATA HDDs
1 DVDRW
5 fans in the case
1 Pulsar 1 Plus
1 Firewire
4 USB
1 Evga 8800GTS video card (300watts!)

Thank you for any idea or point of view

now, you should start to save money for the next electric bill!!

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:42 am

Nestor wrote:...Sorry guys if I tend to get into deeper and deeper details, but I know that I am doing a big investment for what we earn here, and it is important that everything goes well because it is for a long period of time ...

no need to excuse, you're always welcome, Nestor

this is for sure a tough topic as the details are highly technical and implementation dependant. Even for me it's often obscure what hardware/software combination supports which features

usually (in mass press) video cards are rated according to their game performance
even though it's the exact same technology, so called 'consumer cards' cannot do what the 'professional' versions in technical engineering can - they are intentionally crippled by the manufacturer.
I assume that this is not relevant for you, as you probably don't do 3D CAD engineering and construction stuff.

if you're not into gaming (and it's design), you won't need a top performance card either, as it's power simply isn't activated.
I'd rather choose the passive 8600 (seen one by Gigabyte yesterday)

for motion video it depends if the program you use has optimized code for a specific graphic architecture.
I'm not an expert on this, but afaik high-quality encoding/decoding is still related to custom chips on specialized cards and not found on typical ATI or NVidea graph chips.

Someone pleasse correct me, if I'm wrong - which I'd rather like to be, as I'm planning to get the afforementioned 8600 passive thing and wouldn't complain about that feature

cheers, Tom

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:48 pm

...just 1 thing:
my 8600 eats up one pci-slot.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:12 pm

Thank you very much Astro for your answer.

Your consideration about the video card gets to the point itself. I will investigate it searching for alternatives, hopefully, not too expensive. Anyway that would save me of getting a new high quality power supply, and also spend more in electricity bills.

You know, in the market itself there is nothing you can see, I mean, in the list of cards available there is nothing like that…

I guess you are talking about something like this, with passive cooling and much cheaper, but anyway designed by a gamer:

XFX GEFORCE 7600GT U1D4 FATAL1TY PCIE 16X 256MB,
http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/lis ... nId=788979

This is what I’ve found about what you say, made rather for rendering:
http://www.pny.com/products/quadro/disc ... 000GFx.asp

Here you have prices and some reviews:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi ... And&Page=2

Post by **hubird** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 2:39 pm

or buy a mac, you'll be running next morning...

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:30 pm

Nestor wrote: I guess you are talking about something like this, with passive cooling and much cheaper, but anyway designed by a gamer:
XFX GEFORCE 7600GT U1D4 FATAL1TY PCIE 16X 256MB,
http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/lis ... nId=788979

no, I meant the newer series 8600, and Andre is correct - the large passive cooler makes the first PCI slot unusable. And this is a gamer card, too .

This is what I’ve found about what you say, made rather for rendering:
http://www.pny.com/products/quadro/disc ... 000GFx.asp

yes, the Quadro FX series is for 3D CAD and Design - it's supposed to be more expensive because of the higher quality (and reliability) demands of industrial software, at least that's the argument...

Anyway, I don't think you're working in this domain - you would have told us as the software costs a fortune...
in another post you mentioned '...entering the video editing zone...'
that's about movie cutting, fx applying and mixing - like DVD movies, isn't it ?

cheers, Tom

Cochise · Post by **Cochise** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:11 pm

It could be mounted the same if there are no needs of using all PCI-E x 1 slots.

I'm instead wondering if I should yet use my Zalman CNPS7700 -Cu inside P35 based boards.

The northbridge heatsink in the Intel DP35DP looks quite high and close to the CPU.
I wasn't be able to find a large perspective image of the P35-DS3R...

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:25 pm

hubird wrote:or buy a mac, you'll be running next morning...

You b*****d,

you know I cannot afrod it!

Post by **garyb** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:59 pm

hubird wrote:or buy a mac, you'll be running next morning...

for an extra $2000.
if he gives me an exrta $500, i'll build it, test it and send it(insured air) for another hundred and customs will take a few hundred, still saving him at least $1000.....if he builds it himself, he saves even more and he gets the satisfaction of knowing something about how his toy works as a bonus....

it all depends on what you want and how independantly wealthy you think you are, or just how independant you are. it's nice that you are wealthy enough to let other people take care of these things for you, hubird, some day you might want to do it yourself just because, still...

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:20 pm

Post by **hubird** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:05 pm

Nestor wrote:
hubird wrote:or buy a mac, you'll be running next morning...
You b*****d, you know I cannot afrod it!

It depends on how you look at it.
A 2ndh. G5 (Motorola) mac would do the job already.

if your new setup is ready and running, let me know what were the total costs.

Ignore the time spend on research and the build itself, I give it to you.
And also don't calculate the risk factor of making occasionally wrong choices (I remember your former huge computer adventure, at your deepest point you cried 'how do I (damn) know if it's a software or a hardware problem').

Then we'll see...

Of course, if your Scope cards must be in the same computer, the whole idea of a mac is nonsense alltheway

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:37 pm

Out of jokes, of course it would be great to have started with a Mac, but about 10 years ago… today there is no meaning. Of course, I was just kidding in the before post, you know…

The real thing is that a Mac is a great thing, but it is far too late today...

That would mean to invest again on many programs, learn a new platform. No, I will not go this way now.

Post by **hubird** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:43 pm

Nestor wrote:That would mean to invest again on many programs, learn a new platform

if you have programs that aren't (also) compatible with mac you use the wrong programs

Btw, on an Intel mac you just open Windows XP if you really need to...

Learn a new platform? just start working...

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:52 pm

Ups Hub... long time has passed since I sit facing a Mac, I am completely uninformed about the today standards as I can see...

BTW A little question about hard drives:

I have never had only SATA drives, I have always had an IDE for the “C” drive. I was wondering if I could have only three SATA drives and install into one of them the “C” drive without problems. I know it can be done, but I ask myself if it works properly.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:36 pm

Cochise wrote:I wasn't be able to find a large perspective image of the P35-DS3R...

Is that what you need?

BTW: Owners say the build quality of the board os second to none. It is one of the best build bords you can buy.

Post by **garyb** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:22 pm

sata drives behave exactly like ide drives. yes, the sata drive 0 is normally c:.

Post by **garyb** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:46 pm

hubird wrote:It depends on how you look at it.
A 2ndh. G5 (Motorola) mac would do the job already.

a motorola g5 is inferior to the current g5, at least running osx and definitely running windows....there's a reason(besides sneeky back room deals) why apple went intel. the computer that Nestor is building is equal or better to the top of the line g5(at least running windows...) with a better graphics card, same chipset, cpu, hard drives, etc.

granted, time and effort to research and build the machine, counts towards the cost, but effort requires no cash, and effort brings it's own subtle rewards.

please don't hate and mock us pc users for being plebes and serfs.

even in the automobile world, there are those who buy custom cars to show off and then there are those who do the job themselves, lovingly making a car to show off, not that i'll ever love a computer like i loved that first car o' mine....