Spectral Balance Controller!??!

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 12:42 pm

On 2005-12-02 09:52, Grok wrote:
...We're talking about mastering, and not exactly about musical ideas !...
Unfortunately, "carefully handling the sources" is not very common...

indeed it isn't, and the local station on the car radio is even pushing it another step ahead (or beyond?) by optimastering fully mastered releases for airplay.

At first it's impressive, amazing how a crappy radio can sound so punchy - but after the third track it's just annoying, an overproduced, uniform, ear-ringing brick in the face.

Yes, lots of those tracks ARE perfectly produced in technical items.
But they are lifeless and boring.

Imho a mastering process should live up to it's name, and that includes an individual character of THAT special production.
This is like fastfood versus a good restaurant.

cheers, tom

dbmac · Post by **dbmac** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:20 pm

anyway i gave 98 for this spectral something.
what is this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a 5 band EQ???????????

Seems more like a 6 band limiter with side chain eq on each band.

/dave

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:29 pm

bug included...

yep seems there is something weird with the 1st and 2nd fader... They are affecting respectively left and right, can't use them...

Post by **hubird** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:38 pm

sad, but they will fix it soon I think, to not spoil the party.
Btw, you choose also one of the packs now?

[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2005-12-02 16:38 ]

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:00 pm

Yep, i took S&S,

Masterverb pro, sbc, b2003 (excellent), pro12 (even better) and eds16i.

The rest, i already had...

I also found a bug in the preset lists.

Can't copy/paste between 2 panel in the same preset list. It crash SFP instally, and badly, to death...

It worked in 4.0

Post by **hubird** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:18 pm

good find.
We should have a new-bugs-thread.

Now we need someone who updated the SnS pack without having had Minimax and Vectron before...

[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2005-12-02 20:26 ]

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:00 pm

Well, that's me i'd say, i didn't have neither vectron or masterverbpro...

You only get what in the UPGRADE part, you don't receive the pack itself.

I didnt' have S&S pack, but had a couple of extra synth like sb404 already.

[ This Message was edited by: marcuspocus on 2005-12-02 23:01 ]

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:24 am

On 2005-12-02 16:38, hubird wrote:
sad, but they will fix it soon I think, to not spoil the party.
(...)

I admire your certainty !...

Now that we're talking about other topics than the topic of "spectral balances" and mastering, can someone tell us if the v4.5 upgrade add 88,2 kHz samplerate to the existing systems ?...

The new Scope v4.5 cards have 88.2 kHz samplerate, so perhaps the "upgrade to v4.5" gives this "new" feature to the old cards?... I was embarrassed to not have 88,2 kHz for a mastering job some time ago (but I used a sh...y workaround at this time, many hours of 88,2 to 96 kHz samplerate very slow conversions, it made me mad)... Happily Creamware now November 2005 thought about that !... Thanks...

[ This Message was edited by: Grok on 2005-12-03 01:25 ]

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:13 am

Maybe start another thread on that subject to save confusion Grok.

You seem good with words, so I'd recommend a 'tone' which is just asking a simple question & nothing more.. people are wound up easily around here. You wouldn't want to be labelled a Y-NER now would you

Or maybe you don't give a rats' ass what anyone thinks, which is always good

dbmac · Post by **dbmac** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:25 am

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Now that we're talking about other topics than the topic of "spectral balances" and mastering,
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That's the title of the thread. There's about a dozen 4.5 related threads around here with a lot of confusing cross posting.

It would be nice to have a thread reserved to discussion of the only new CW fx we've seen in years.

/dave

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:04 am

Grok, it's nice you're so passionate about this Har-Bal thing, but when describing it's god-like powers, you sound worse than those infotainment tv commercials.

Despite that, I will check it out anyway

djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:11 am

Now that we're talking about other topics than the topic of "spectral balances" and mastering, can someone tell us if the v4.5 upgrade add 88,2 kHz samplerate to the existing systems ?

grok, i'm sure that a pro user as you are, is equipped with external word clock

Post by **garyb** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:10 am

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:14 am

off topic > on topic ... take your pick.

Post by **hubird** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:07 pm

that seems not fair, you guys obviously misunderstood his last post.
Grok is french, the last sentense wasn't cooorectly formulated I guess

[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2005-12-03 18:08 ]

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:33 pm

He'll say he was just testing Huub

December & all that

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:20 pm

Thank you for your consideration, guys

Let's talk about musical gears and audiotechnical gears, and forget Grok

a french guy who has difficulties with english language. This could lead him to a simplifying worse than infoTVcommercial way to express ideas, but I hope some will find some instructive elements in all this.

grok, i'm sure that a pro user as you are, is equipped with external word clock

Yes Djmicron, I was a stupid broken professional, at this time.

On 2005-12-03 06:13, Shroomz wrote:
(...)
Or maybe you don't give a rats' ass what anyone thinks, which is always good

Yesssss !...

Cheers,
Grok

Post by **garyb** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:52 pm

erminardi · Post by **erminardi** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 7:41 am

In the mastering chain, where is correct, fot you, to put the "SBC - Spectral Balance Controller"?

Here my hypotetical chain:
1) GraphEQ
2) SBC
3) Optimaster
4) PSYQ

It's right? Any comment?
Thanks.

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:59 am

On 2005-12-04 07:41, erminardi wrote:
In the mastering chain, where is correct, fot you, to put the "SBC - Spectral Balance Controller"?

Here my hypotetical chain:
1) GraphEQ
2) SBC
3) Optimaster
4) PSYQ

It's right? Any comment?
Thanks.

There is no absolute rule.

It depends on the inner qualities (and/or defects) of the basic sound. For which accurate listening and accurate analysis is important.

It depends on the musical style.

It depends on the projected use (Audio CD?... Vinyl?... Radio?... DVD?...).

Be aware that SBC, Optimaster and Psy-Q have integrated limiters (softclip...). Don't limit several time on several stages, you could create distorsions that you could not immediately accurately detect. Your ears could be fooled. Stay with only one limiter, and bypass the others.

Sorry to sound criticizing again, but how come that Optimaster has 3 frequency bands, where all multiband compressors in the market have at least four bands?... Can't understand this. I've sold my Optimaster a long time ago. But you can use it, nevertheless.

GraphEQ is not a mastering tool. Good for live sound reinforcement, but not for mastering.

So, you understand that I think there is no powerful mastering tools within the Creamware's plugins, except the Psy-Q that can be useful. Maybe I should stop writing about that.

General advice: work at a constant acoustic level, not loud (85 dB SPL). When a process increases the volume, lower your overall level accordingly, to always listen to the same level. Don't let your ears be fooled by a level increase.

[ This Message was edited by: Grok on 2005-12-04 21:37 ]