Waldorf and Creamware

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:11 am

I'm wondering if Creamware should start making VSTi plugins. The obvious advantage of SHARC DSP chip based synths hasn't caught on due to the high price of Creamware cards and Creamware's apparently dismal marketing team. There is an advantage for Creamware that piracy is nearly impossible but lack of publicity is worse. I heard on "This Week In Tech" episode 31 that the companies who had software that was easiest to crack in the 90's are the companies that are doing the best now due to a large user base. An example is Adobe. They know about all the illegal copies because when you click on help your serial and IP is recorded at the Adobe website. According to TWIT, Adobe is secretly happy about all the illegal copies.

Personally I own 3 legal softwares from NI and I will never buy another one because of the very intrusive copy protection. When I restore an image of my C: drive I am required to authorize all of my NI products again and this is not easy. The support at NI claim I am the only one who complains about this to them.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:15 am

On 2005-11-23 07:11, braincell wrote:
...I heard on "This Week In Tech" episode 31 that the companies who had software that was easiest to crack in the 90's are the companies that are doing the best now due to a large user base. An example is Adobe. ...

imho that's an out-off-context generalization.
THE company that is doing best is M$Soft and it was in the 80s they abandoned copy protection at all. Word and Excel as the PC killer-apps (contra mainframe).

But they were in a position that they already supplied the OS, economically on the safe side, too.

Adobe got into it's current position by license fees for Postscript and their fonts, built into almost any printer that was used graphically.

Photoshop entirely dominated it's market.
I cannot remember one single system in pre-press that didn't run PS - and at least 30% of those copies were legal.
That made them famous on the desktop, too, so people trusted in Adobe PDF documents, which have become unavoidable since then.

Again this enterprise was started from a perfectly safe economic position, and satisfied the same needs as the omnipresent word processors - one couldn't do without.

that doesn't compare well to the music gear market, imho.
Not to forget that there's no business on earth where customers accept a similiar treatment as by the suppliers of PC hard- and software

cheers, Tom

Wired · Post by **Wired** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:03 am

thought that terratec might resurrect Waldorf?

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:05 pm

Nobody in here is going to wager on what might happen with any tech company within the next 10 years. I love my Waldorf synth.

Creamware's Moog got mentioned recently in EQ magazine as the best Moog emulation.

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:05 pm

On 2005-11-23 10:03, Wired wrote:
thought that terratec might resurrect Waldorf?

The situation seems a bit confusing:
Terratec releases the komplexer nowadays and I read in KEYS (german magazine) that it was design by Frank Schneider and Stefan Stenzel from the Stadler Electro company. In KEYS article, Stefan Stenzel also mentionned a hardware version of the Komplexer and Terratec releases the "AREA 61 - the Expandable Controller Keyboard" with one slot for "integrated sound generators (optionally available DSP soundboards)" which could be this Hardware Komplexer (both virtual knob of the VST Komplexer and AREA 61 real knob kind of look the same).

... and now you got these news from Waldorf rebirth:
http://www.waldorfmusic.de/index.php?lang=en
with Frank Schneider and Stefan Stenzel in the team...

Will there really be a Waldorf Wave ASB box ? (I would have expect a Lightwave ASB as it is already available for both SCOPE and NOAH platform).

What was shown in the last NAMM and Musikmesse was the B4000 and PRODYSSEY ASB but no news from something else arround a Wave emulation...

Anybody having some news from CW about that topic and their relationship with the new WALDORF company ?

[ This Message was edited by: FRA59-HELP on 2006-04-14 17:06 ]

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:09 pm

On 2005-10-07 04:46, Ralf wrote:
Psssssssssssssssssssst,

this is top secret . . . .

On 2005-10-05 08:07, cream wrote:
A new synth?

here

What about this secret now ?

Anna Lüse · Post by **Anna Lüse** » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:48 pm

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Show some feeling and respect
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Doch!
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Sex object Translation to french:
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Montre du sentiment et du respect
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Prejav svoje city a rešpekt ku mne
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Mostra un po di sentimenti e di rispetto
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No! Si! Forse... magari... si!
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Zeig Gefühl so ganz direkt
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Deine Tricks sind fast perfekt
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Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:49 am

Anna Luse, WTF was that all about?

katano · Post by **katano** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:15 am

On 2006-04-15 07:49, Shroomz wrote:
Anna Luse, WTF was that all about?

maybe the new creamware-waldorf song

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:24 am

definately

Anna Lüse · Post by **Anna Lüse** » Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:03 pm

Elektroklänge überall
Dezibel im Ultraschall
Es wird immer weitergeh'n
Musik als Träger von Ideen

H-Rave · Post by **H-Rave** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 3:00 am

I'm getting that trans-dimensional feeling again.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:17 am

I think we're in the middle of a Kraftwerk song. Let the nutter finish.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:02 am

La musica ideas portara
y siempre continuara
Sonido electronico
Decibel sintetico

Music non stop,
Music non stop,
Music non stop, techno-pop
Music non stop, techno-pop

And by the way im seeing Kraftwerk in bergen this autumn

[ This Message was edited by: piddi on 2006-04-16 09:03 ]

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:59 am

Question:
Is there still a wave clone based on CW ASB technology on the way or this project just colapsed with Waldorf rebirth ?

Would be surprised as it seems that waldorf technology is also announced as add-on for Terratec or CME-UF series controller/master keyboards.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:18 am

have a serious look at the Zarg QWave, designed with the character of the original in mind, but with current technology and avoiding some of the original's flaws

cheers, tom

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:08 pm

I trust you Tom.
So we just have to convince John Bowen to release his Quantum Wave as an ASB device.

But he mentioned somewhere it was not possible to have Waldorf, Waveplayer or RD oscillators on ASB...

[ This Message was edited by: FRA59-HELP on 2006-06-18 15:09 ]

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:24 am

so is it only a rumor?
or will this be our christmas present?

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:32 am

Solaris is not a rumor... its already available...

the topic is about a waldorf synth, that may be Creamwares next synth emu....

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:48 am

stardust wrote:Yes
And a solaris ASB machine will likely sell better than a quantum wave, which is not an oberheim
and does not intend it. Read:
http://www.zargmusic.com/ourproductcata ... og&UID=123

What I said is solaris is better compatible to the ASB market. Got it ?

BTW: Both are reality as scope synths and Both are excellent.

cheers

jeah got it.

but this thread isn`t about an ASB box....

or is it?
-:)

my question was:
is the waldorf scope synth a rumor, or will it become reality.....

this has nothing to do with solaris, quantum wave or pro-wave. Just a question.