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i think it's a state of the system, a statement of fact. the future can always bring surprises....

Amen!

On 2006-04-12 14:21, stardust wrote:

^^ I have this poster on my wall. I suspect the future for Creamware cards might be a bit easier, as there is definate convergence between PC's and Macs now. Intel does the motherboard design for Apple....

Yes, all things in life R that simple.

Whao

oops, I must've been mashed when I made the comment above .. sorry Valis !!

Sorry if this question has been already posted, but is there anyway that with the new intel mac, parallel desktop would do the job for SCOPE, so I can run logic under OSX and scope in a virtual machine?

Running in any sort of virtual host would always add buffers - read extra latency - at least, and hardware is adressed to by making an emulated version which is then forwarded to the real hardware (see ALSA/JACK or networking with Wine/VMware). So the virtual OS doesn't get to see the real thing, it sees emulations. And if the real thing isn't seen properly, I wonder how the emulation could work...

I hope somebody would proove me wrong, would make me mucho happy

ahh - eventually a simple question
simple answer NO
a virtual machine has no access to hardware - that's why it's called virtual

don't worry, I've been trapped in exactly the same thought some years ago with Virtual PC (which even faked the BIOS screen) - it all looks so 'real' that you just can't imagine that there's a part of the system which is unaccessible - it definetely is

Since no Intel based Macs have PCI slots anyway, there is few practical relevance.

ASB and Klangboxes are controlled by remote OSX software - the same would apply to an external Scope box.
I wouldn't consider it too difficult to design something like this with converters and IO, yet there would be a significant amount of latency introduced - in comparison to a slot based version.

But the biggest obstacle imho would be marketing and existing competition, not to forget 'rock bottom' price policy - by user(!) request btw.
Just watch a shop like Thomann over several months (occaionally)

To sell a significant quantity (so at least investments flow back) is in no way related to the product's 'quality' - people assume that something is good by default and even more by it's numberic specs - and that's about it.
Obviously few can - or are willing - to listen.

They didn't break up the Protools workflow 8 years ago and they won't do it next year.
It's a niche for quality gear and if CWA acts smart they can live in it quite comfortably - it's too good for the 'average Joe' anyway...

cheers, Tom

jules wrote:Sorry if this question has been already posted, but is there anyway that with the new intel mac, parallel desktop would do the job for SCOPE, so I can run logic under OSX and scope in a virtual machine?

no, since you cannot

1) plug a scope card into a pci-e slot (the new intel mac has no pci-slots)

2) redirect a full pci(-e) slot to the virtual machine, since it's an emulator, that emulates hardware not related to the machine you run it on. even if you had a pci-e scope, you would have to emulate the hardware to be available in your vm. and emulating a dsp card with the power of your processor is braindead. as far as I know there is now way to get a piece of hw 1:1 (like the "content" of a full pci slot) into an emulator.

I think not even vmware esx can do that (and this run on the bare metal).

3) you need a dsp card to run scope sw. since we agree that one cannot fulfil 1) and 2), it's simply not possible.

basically it was no bad idea, but you better get yourself a pc (or persuade creamware to manufacture pci-e cards, that run with osx )

-greetings, markus-

exactly those are the facts

hypothetically you could of course access physical hardware in an emulation, like I've done with an USB Ethernet adapter to give a Mac Mini a 2nd physical network connector - under Parallels.

but this requires a layer in the emulation software that maps and translates between the worlds.
If the emulator software detects the physical card (it runs under the host OS on host hardware, so it can), it switches to native DSP mode - otherwise to (say) soundlaster emulation.

but then you can wave goodbye to protection - as you could watch all those bits flowing neatly along the interface channel...

cheers, Tom

mwoahh!!!!


I'll always be amazed by the CW community...
Thanks guys for such quick response, even if negative.

I'm still .... trying .... to get used to see my pulsar working in a different computer (OS9) being midi slaved to my big boy running OSX.
That's the best solution I found so far. It involves a second keyboard and mouse but it's functional.

Anyway, thx.

Cheerio.

jules wrote:mwoahh!!!!
. It involves a second keyboard and mouse but it's functional.
Cheerio.

and, according to Garyb if I'm right, there probably are solutions for mac like a KVM switch for pc, to keep your desk clean
I will have to look at this point soon, but don't have any info yet

concerning the switch, yes it works:

USB switch from belkin: one set of mouse/keyboard plugged into this, and it goes to your 2 computers (up to 4), and just press a button for it to commute to another end (computer).

Actually I find it more convenient to just reach out for another mouse...
But I guess that if desk space is a problem, that could be an elegant solution.
Since I use 3 screens for 2 computers, I've got plenty of space in front of them

alright, thanks for the info