some background on our chap11 status

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 7:33 pm

CW:

I'm going to assume that CW will somehow survive but if for some reason it does not can you make the SFP open source?

Post by **garyb** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 9:07 pm

thanks for the info,CW Frank!

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 11:07 pm

Arkadin

I guess you don't speak German

Jan in German explicitly wrote, that his post was in no way meant to harm - in a way, that (as I read it anyway) actually said: If you are Frank Hund, then please excuse my rude question.

inDSP Frank · Post by **inDSP Frank** » Sun Jun 15, 2003 2:35 am

@braincell

Even in the very worst-case scenario that we could not continue ourselves, some other company would pick up and continue SFP. SFP is too massive, too good, too unique and too flexible that it would in any way die out. Open Source is a rather unlikely picture.

But again, and I'm a CW insider some way

, I just know the chance we will close is virtually zero as long as our users don't abandon SFP in panic.

@All
Thanks for your support and best wishes!

valis · Post by **valis** » Sun Jun 15, 2003 2:47 am

Thanks for your honesty Frank

I (and, i'm sure we) look forward to using your products for many years to come

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Sun Jun 15, 2003 6:25 am

Immanual wrote,

I guess you don't speak German

Guess you're right.

My reason for posting was that i felt a bit annoyed that we finally have someone from CW here regularly posting and someone else immediately (potentially) bashes him. Not good form.

Also i (and others) have linked to this statement from other internet forums to disprove that 'CW are going out of business' and i don't think it looks that good that halfway down the thread someone starts throwing doubt on the authenticity of that statement. i just think that Jan could have PMed John Cooper and emailed Frank via his CW address to confirm this rather than put it on this thread.

Anyway, i think everone's happy now so back to business as usual.

Mr A

PS. Frank, please hurry with Mac support and Noah/SFP4 intergration as i think this will shift many more Noahs (though i'm still holding out for a keybaord version with ribbon controller & X-Y pad)

[ This Message was edited by: Mr Arkadin on 2003-06-15 07:28 ]

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Sun Jun 15, 2003 7:00 am

All is well. I'm completely relaxed. Now, when's Flexor coming out !?

Jan Nolte · Post by **Jan Nolte** » Sun Jun 15, 2003 7:25 am

On 2003-06-15 07:25, Mr Arkadin wrote:
i just think that Jan could have PMed John Cooper and emailed Frank via his CW address to confirm this rather than put it on this thread.
[ This Message was edited by: Mr Arkadin on 2003-06-15 07:28 ]

I wanted to do this first, but then I thought, there may be other users asking themselves the same question. So I decided to post it in the forum.
I don't wanted to bash anyone, and I also think I haven't done this. I only asked a question. Maybe it sounded a bit unfriendly, 'cause my english isn't the best (that's why I wrote also something in german)

Hope noone dislike me now and will help me further, when I have a problem with my creamware stuff.

Greetz

[ This Message was edited by: Jan Nolte on 2003-06-15 08:27 ]

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Sun Jun 15, 2003 7:25 am

Long live Creamware. I now have two Creamware systems. That is the amount of confidence I have in that company. There are Dealers out there who are hell bent on promoting certain products. One company slips and they would rejoice. If there was only one company manufacturing DSP cards!!!!!
There must be more positiveness and strong faith on this forum. Old jungle saying," The jungle has ears". There are all types of elements on this forum.

[ This Message was edited by: abre on 2003-06-15 11:34 ]

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Sun Jun 15, 2003 4:13 pm

I have found that misery loves company and nay-sayers are always the more vocal bunch. The problem is that negativity can spread fast, even if the negativity is based on hearsay and conjecture.

I would be much more compelled to tell a group of friends not to go to a restaurant where I got food-poisoning, than to mention one that was just fine. It would take a really stellar experience for me to relate it to my buds... I am still having a stellar experience with my CreamWare setup!

This is what we (as the happy and prolific CreamWare users), in my opinion, need to combat, especially in times like these. It, unfortunately, takes several positive statements to counteract one negative one. This is how we can help ensure the "new" growth of the CreamWare platforms, by attracting "new blood" on other lists. We can turn the negative press into positive.

This is a way that we can really impact how aggressively CreamWare will be able to get back to releasing new and wonderful things. A better way would be, of course, to go ahead and purchase that CreamWare device or upgrade that we have been putting off.

Btw, my consistently "pro-CreamWare" stance has been criticized over on the Yahoo list, as self-interested, etc... and I guess it is, not only because I love designing and releasing new products for the platform, but also because I make so much damn music with SFP! It seems to me that all of us who use CreamWare on a very regular basis have a vested interest in the future growth of the platform(s), no? It's way too easy to be silent when one is happily working away (guilty as charged), but now is the time to speak up! Don't let the trolls hog all the bandwidth... hehehe

Sorry for the long-winded post, I just really wanted to back-up and endorse Frank's brave choice to post here and clear the air.

Cheers,

Stephen

http://www.track0.com/wavelength/

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Sun Jun 15, 2003 6:24 pm

btw. Frank, it might be a good idea to post this explanation on the frontpage of the CW site or something, because I think a lot of people are still thinking CW is going bankrupt, but not everyone reads PlanetZ.

wavelength · Post by **wavelength** » Sun Jun 15, 2003 6:59 pm

On 2003-06-15 19:24, King of Snake wrote:
btw. Frank, it might be a good idea to post this explanation on the frontpage of the CW site or something, because I think a lot of people are still thinking CW is going bankrupt, but not everyone reads PlanetZ.

There is truth in this, in that posting here is kind of like "preaching to the converted". It's the potential new customer that needs the reassurance more than anyone else. The "message" needs to reach the wider MI public and not just current CreamWare users. I think what Frank is asking is for help from us in this matter.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sun Jun 15, 2003 7:31 pm

On the other hand - posting this on the official site may look desperate to some people.

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Sun Jun 15, 2003 8:29 pm

I agree. I think it's best to say nothing about it unless it comes up. Instead I'd focus on new things that show the platform is alive and well: Noah, Flexor etc.

There's nothing like a new release.

Trailerman · Post by **Trailerman** » Mon Jun 16, 2003 2:04 am

Jan

Presumably you have emailed Frank to confirm your suspiscion by now?!!

I can say with certainty that that post was written by Frank Hund, and I'm pretty horrified by your pathetic attempts to spread mistrust and paranoia when Creamware needs support. There's a fine line here between not believing and simple trolling!!

Frank is going out of his way to assure fans and loyal users, and this is no way to thank him. Please take your conspiracy theories elsewhere or keep them to yourself.

Incidentally, Noah got the front page of Sound on Sound this month, and a rave reivew. With that kind of response, it should help CW pull out of current financial difficulties sooner rather than later.

Jules

sym90 · Post by **sym90** » Mon Jun 16, 2003 2:08 am

Hi Frank,

I would like to thank you for your comments & for your posts here : i know ALL Creamware users appreciated it a lot!

I am pretty sure SFP project will continue : another fact to be considered is that 3.1c is the "first" version of SFP version and it runs quite well to be a first version IMHO.. Many things has to be done , but for example i can tell you that SFP system and Creamware concept is far away from most acclaimed digides*gn protools systems, and , as a scope/SP user and a protools tdm user too , i can tell you without reserve that Creamware SFP sounds BETTER and is MUCH MORE flexible than any old expensive protools tdm sytem (the sound of digidesign HD & 192 is amazing, but flexibility of SFP is certainly better) ; Digi has its own partnership with developers that is just amazing and there are a lot of 3rd party developers doing great plugins for protools platform, and since they were the first in HD-rec marketing, they have a "special" impact to professional market.

Perhaps you should revise somethin' in your marketing strategy at Creamware (no offense intended, just a suggestion to perform better in the CW users' field).

For example, another thing to do for a company is to "renew" their hardware line of products : i know it's so much expensive, but people have the feeling you are growing also seeing a new product line based on new high-performance DSPs... (see what digidesign have done with HD although they had a best-selling mix system going on).
The bad (or good?) fact for this things is that computer hardware is growing so fast and so big , and DSPs would become more and more important on consumer marketing and less on professional fields where a powerful computer is present . You could remind for example what your synths of pulsar platform were at the end of 1997 when it came out for the first time ; softsynth didn't exist and it was a theorical-only concept : i was astonished by pulsar's synths when they went out for the first time! and many other people like me were atonished by them too! Now having great softsynths running on a small % of our 'puter-power seems "normal" and "standard" , unlike before!

I hope this words could help you thinking on things that you certainly already know... I have had ALWAYS positive reaction about creamware product line and software/upgrades because i know the hard work that there is on this great,amazing SFP & NOAH project!

Thank you anyway for your partecipation with YOUR users

sYm

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Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Mon Jun 16, 2003 2:14 am

Jan has explained what happened, lets give him peace.

And instead start thinking about....

Flexor

Flexor

[ This Message was edited by: spirit on 2003-06-16 03:15 ]

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Mon Jun 16, 2003 3:31 am

Flexor

w_ellis · Post by **w_ellis** » Mon Jun 16, 2003 3:41 am

Sorry to switch topics back, but I thought you might be interested in this. I noticed the the Cakewalk Project5 review in last months Sound on Sound was done using a PowerPulsar. I'm assuming that this must be part of a marketing push by CW and if so, this seems like an excellent way of people getting a better level of confidence in their products. Makes a change from the Echo Mia or RMI cards they normally seem to use.

Keep pushing CW!

Cheers,
Will

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Jun 16, 2003 4:20 am

On 2003-06-15 19:59, wavelength wrote:
... The "message" needs to reach the wider MI public and not just current CreamWare users. I think what Frank is asking is for help from us in this matter.

Stephen, all of the 'facts' in Frank's statement are also published in a big 'NOAH' feature in German Keyboards mag.
A highly positive feature including the complete company

While one might think of it as a smart marketing move - btw some people on CW's own forum considered management as not smart enough...

I'm totally convinced of the honesty of Frank's words.
You cannot but simply love this community as their main supplier and this was the right moment for some personal words.
But some activity from our own side wouldn't harm either

cheers, Tom