Well, yes, this is a point! HDs of such size are difficult to back up anyway…
Are you saying HDs are becoming less reliable that they used to be?
Cheers.
Please, help me building my much awaited NEW SYSTEM!!!
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I realize I have asked too many questions at the same time… sorry, I got a bit exited I guess… 
I’m gong to star by three of them only, right?
1st: what you do think about this case? http://www.xpcases.com/shop/item.asp?CatID=1&Sku=116 orrrr http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... =A453-1042 Do you have any other suggested cases you could give a link to visit here? (I’m going for no less than 400watts)
2nd: Which one of these two motherboards and why? ASUS P4PE (845PE) or P4G8X Deluxe?
3rd: Is there a big performance difference between the P4 2.0 and the 2.4? Remember the price difference is about 55$.
That’s it, thanks for your help.
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I’m gong to star by three of them only, right?1st: what you do think about this case? http://www.xpcases.com/shop/item.asp?CatID=1&Sku=116 orrrr http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... =A453-1042 Do you have any other suggested cases you could give a link to visit here? (I’m going for no less than 400watts)
2nd: Which one of these two motherboards and why? ASUS P4PE (845PE) or P4G8X Deluxe?
3rd: Is there a big performance difference between the P4 2.0 and the 2.4? Remember the price difference is about 55$.
That’s it, thanks for your help.
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Spirit, what you’re asking me to do sounds like walking backwards…
Well, I’ve tried real hard to put it all together already, but I couldn’t yet! I think I’m getting close to it nevertheless.
It is crazy man, there is so much out there to be learned. I’m spending many hours of my day – and even nights – learning the differences between components and other maters. So this is why I was FIRST asking you guys questions, for them being able to post a coherent whole.
Just one of the points for instance: SATA hard drives from Seagate, the Barracuda V 7200 RPM, it’s a fantastic drive, but it’s expensive and all the serious benchmarks are telling you NOT going into SETA yet, cos in fact, this is almost the same as going PATA. So… you see what I mean?
Well, I’ve tried real hard to put it all together already, but I couldn’t yet! I think I’m getting close to it nevertheless.
It is crazy man, there is so much out there to be learned. I’m spending many hours of my day – and even nights – learning the differences between components and other maters. So this is why I was FIRST asking you guys questions, for them being able to post a coherent whole.
Just one of the points for instance: SATA hard drives from Seagate, the Barracuda V 7200 RPM, it’s a fantastic drive, but it’s expensive and all the serious benchmarks are telling you NOT going into SETA yet, cos in fact, this is almost the same as going PATA. So… you see what I mean?
Well if you're looking for SATA drives, the new Maxtor one is supposedly the first drive to show any actual benefit from SATA (& no I'm not a spokesman).On 2003-04-26 00:49, Nestor wrote:
Spirit, what you’re asking me to do sounds like walking backwards…
Well, I’ve tried real hard to put it all together already, but I couldn’t yet! I think I’m getting close to it nevertheless.
It is crazy man, there is so much out there to be learned. I’m spending many hours of my day – and even nights – learning the differences between components and other maters. So this is why I was FIRST asking you guys questions, for them being able to post a coherent whole.
Just one of the points for instance: SATA hard drives from Seagate, the Barracuda V 7200 RPM, it’s a fantastic drive, but it’s expensive and all the serious benchmarks are telling you NOT going into SETA yet, cos in fact, this is almost the same as going PATA. So… you see what I mean?
Sam
My take on this.....On 2003-04-22 19:14, dehuszar wrote:
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As far as the processor goes, why P4? They're more expensive and have a lesser FPU. Unless you are positively not going to be using more than a handful native plugs or progs, an Athlon will give you better performance for the money.
Heat? Probably the only reason now that I'm not using an athlon in the DAW myself. I'm very impressed with the Athlon's performance and we are now seeing some really good motherboards suitable for DAW stuff. For me, heat is the only concern left.
The pulsar cards themselves generate a disconcerting amount of heat on thier own. Heat causes stress on components, solder joints (hairline fractures are very hard to fault find), dry's out filter caps shortening their life span etc. Combining the residual heat from the processor with the cards is my main concern. (Having worked in the "repair it" profession in the past, I have seen what long term heat stress does to components and I plan on holding on to these pulsar cards for some time yet.
)I place my hand on top of the DAW with a P1.8GHz and it's cool. I put my hand on top of the athlon XP2000 system and it's warm!
Even with 3 extra fans sucking the air out of the box! They are both the same black Lian Li alloy cases (alloy is a better conductor of heat than steel).
The DAW is quieter because the fans are'nt running full pelt like the athlon system.
Water is not going anywhere near them pulsar cards! So a water cooler is not the answer for me either.
When we get athlons's running as cool or cooler than pentiums, then I'll be a happy chappy.
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Hello there…
Dehuszar, I have decided not to go SATA, cos it’s too expensive, and the Maxtor SATA drives gives you a one year guaranty, which seems quite bad for me… Its shouting loud al clear: “I’m a new technology and so, can’t be completely reliable yet”. Anyway, the performance it’s not something really much better than a good PATA drive! I’m going to go EIDE, simple, cheap and reliable with at least 3 years guaranty drive.
I can’t but agree with you Spirit, we’d better stay in firm land, but it’s really hard to bit the temptation to going farther and farther… Particularly if you have not upgraded your system for (already almost) 6 long years, as it is my case… I feel like a thirsty-hungry man!
Hi bassdude… Anyway, I prefer Intel CPUs, cos they are more suited to the job, as explained by many experts in these maters and, music and multimedia, like it’s the case of our lost partner Subhuman. I have no doubt about which processor I’m going to go for, and this is a Pentium 4, sorry AMD, I’m not ready for you yet.
Well guys… let me be honest with you… I’m getting a bit crazy studying which motherboard to get cos of the relation between ram prices, performances, motherboard prices, chip architecture, kind of HD drives, features, velocities, OS upgrade price, etc., etc., and so forth…It’s a real bloody difficult job to do! I should have never stopped reading the latest news about this staff! I’ll be posting at least a basic idea about what I’m planning to get, I hope you to be merciful too my questions…
Cheers for everything. D)
Dehuszar, I have decided not to go SATA, cos it’s too expensive, and the Maxtor SATA drives gives you a one year guaranty, which seems quite bad for me… Its shouting loud al clear: “I’m a new technology and so, can’t be completely reliable yet”. Anyway, the performance it’s not something really much better than a good PATA drive! I’m going to go EIDE, simple, cheap and reliable with at least 3 years guaranty drive.
I can’t but agree with you Spirit, we’d better stay in firm land, but it’s really hard to bit the temptation to going farther and farther… Particularly if you have not upgraded your system for (already almost) 6 long years, as it is my case… I feel like a thirsty-hungry man!
Hi bassdude… Anyway, I prefer Intel CPUs, cos they are more suited to the job, as explained by many experts in these maters and, music and multimedia, like it’s the case of our lost partner Subhuman. I have no doubt about which processor I’m going to go for, and this is a Pentium 4, sorry AMD, I’m not ready for you yet.
Well guys… let me be honest with you… I’m getting a bit crazy studying which motherboard to get cos of the relation between ram prices, performances, motherboard prices, chip architecture, kind of HD drives, features, velocities, OS upgrade price, etc., etc., and so forth…It’s a real bloody difficult job to do! I should have never stopped reading the latest news about this staff! I’ll be posting at least a basic idea about what I’m planning to get, I hope you to be merciful too my questions…
Cheers for everything. D)
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Hello there…
Dehuszar, I have decided not to go SATA, cos it’s too expensive, and the Maxtor SATA drives gives you a one year guaranty, which seems quite bad for me… Its shouting loud al clear: “I’m a new technology and so, can’t be completely reliable yet”. Anyway, the performance it’s not something really much better than a good PATA drive! I’m going to go EIDE, simple, cheap and reliable with at least 3 years guaranty drive.
I can’t but agree with you Spirit, we’d better stay in firm land, but it’s really hard to bit the temptation to going farther and farther… Particularly if you have not upgraded your system for (already almost) 6 long years, as it is my case… I feel like a thirsty-hungry man!
Hi bassdude… Anyway, I prefer Intel CPUs, cos they are more suited to the job, as explained by many experts in these maters and, music and multimedia, like it’s the case of our lost partner Subhuman. I have no doubt about which processor I’m going to go for, and this is a Pentium 4, sorry AMD, I’m not ready for you yet.
Well guys… let me be honest with you… I’m getting a bit crazy studying which motherboard to get cos of the relation between ram prices, performances, motherboard prices, chip architecture, kind of HD drives, features, velocities, OS upgrade price, etc., etc., and so forth…It’s a real bloody difficult job to do! I should have never stopped reading the latest news about this staff! I’ll be posting at least a basic idea about what I’m planning to get, I hope you to be merciful too my questions…
Cheers for everything. D)
Dehuszar, I have decided not to go SATA, cos it’s too expensive, and the Maxtor SATA drives gives you a one year guaranty, which seems quite bad for me… Its shouting loud al clear: “I’m a new technology and so, can’t be completely reliable yet”. Anyway, the performance it’s not something really much better than a good PATA drive! I’m going to go EIDE, simple, cheap and reliable with at least 3 years guaranty drive.
I can’t but agree with you Spirit, we’d better stay in firm land, but it’s really hard to bit the temptation to going farther and farther… Particularly if you have not upgraded your system for (already almost) 6 long years, as it is my case… I feel like a thirsty-hungry man!
Hi bassdude… Anyway, I prefer Intel CPUs, cos they are more suited to the job, as explained by many experts in these maters and, music and multimedia, like it’s the case of our lost partner Subhuman. I have no doubt about which processor I’m going to go for, and this is a Pentium 4, sorry AMD, I’m not ready for you yet.
Well guys… let me be honest with you… I’m getting a bit crazy studying which motherboard to get cos of the relation between ram prices, performances, motherboard prices, chip architecture, kind of HD drives, features, velocities, OS upgrade price, etc., etc., and so forth…It’s a real bloody difficult job to do! I should have never stopped reading the latest news about this staff! I’ll be posting at least a basic idea about what I’m planning to get, I hope you to be merciful too my questions…
Cheers for everything. D)
Maybe we can turn this into the "what I would buy if I were Nestor" thread !
- P4 2.4
- Asus mobo (not sure which one...)
- 1Gb RAM
- Matrox 550 card
- twin LG Studioworks 995e or Samsung 955df 19-inch CRT screens
OR if richer:
- twin Samsung 171s syncmaster LCD screens 17-inch
- CD drive AND CDRW (Panasonic maybe or Iomega)
OR if richer:
- one DVD-burner drive and one normal CD drive
- 1 x Seagate Barracuda IV 40gb
- 1 x Seagate Barracuda IV 80Gb /(120Gb ?)
- 400w power
- good UPS power or good surge protector
- optical mouse
- new chair
Personally I don't think extra cooling is needed if you have just one CW card and no other PCI cards - it's just a standard configuration.
Let's have some more "Nestor PCs"
Also, sometimes I find playing around on those "build your own PC" sites quite entertaining - you know the ones where you select the components you want piece by piece and see the cost build up. Maybe we could have a go at one of those. You choose Nestor and then set us a budget and see what we can build for you.
- P4 2.4
- Asus mobo (not sure which one...)
- 1Gb RAM
- Matrox 550 card
- twin LG Studioworks 995e or Samsung 955df 19-inch CRT screens
OR if richer:
- twin Samsung 171s syncmaster LCD screens 17-inch
- CD drive AND CDRW (Panasonic maybe or Iomega)
OR if richer:
- one DVD-burner drive and one normal CD drive
- 1 x Seagate Barracuda IV 40gb
- 1 x Seagate Barracuda IV 80Gb /(120Gb ?)
- 400w power
- good UPS power or good surge protector
- optical mouse
- new chair
Personally I don't think extra cooling is needed if you have just one CW card and no other PCI cards - it's just a standard configuration.
Let's have some more "Nestor PCs"
Also, sometimes I find playing around on those "build your own PC" sites quite entertaining - you know the ones where you select the components you want piece by piece and see the cost build up. Maybe we could have a go at one of those. You choose Nestor and then set us a budget and see what we can build for you.
Hi Nestor
This comes from a person, who never intended to learn about computers, then had loads of trouble with getting his CW card to work (VIA Apollo 133
So much for introduction. Here comes my believes about the "common truths" about making a (music) PC work ... and a lot of other babble. Some of it is obvious, but I will mention it anyway, as reading it will hurt you far less, than maybe not knowing about it:
It is not realy a matter of, how many applications you have on the same OS. But people with loads of applications usually have some bad ones among them - and therefor their PCs does not work well.
There are mainly 3 things, that can make a PC unstable:
1) Bad software*
2) Bad hardware (underpowered PSUs included).
3) Bad configuration/tweaking
*Some othervice good software can have a problem not "owning" the file extensions, wich they are ment to manipulate.
Warez are usually cheap, but they often come at a price anyway. Most of the people, whoom I know, that use warez by greater extend also have more trouble with their PCs, than other people. I believe a hack can serve your PC as well as an original, if it is done right - but that does not not guarantie, that the warez you get (I don't say you use warez. I have had ONE in my PC-time, and I do not use it anymore) are healthy.
Having your important PC not connected to the internet is IMHO a good choise. I have done so for a long time. Let the thrall (your older PC) do the internet acces and virus scanning. It also makes it less likely, that you will be tempted to put a lot of unneeded applications on you important PC.
Learn your tweaks by people who you know, and who uses them for the same stuff as you (like you boddies here at PlanetZ ). You will get loads of tips all over the net, but a lot of it is not good to your specific use.
I recommend Seagate Baracuda V (I would take the 120GB model). You can see a review here -> http://www.storagereview.com In my world a silent drive is top priority. I can not remember, if win98se (and below) have a 127GB (or something like that) limitation? There is an old win98 patch, that makes win98 shut down properly with "newer harddrives" (this is 3years old or so). Therefor I think that with 98se it may be a risk to get on of those 8MB cache drives. I ones read, that cache does not matter too much on your music drive. That was also a couple of years ago though, and I do not know the details about how music applications ask for info from the harddrive.
Do you do use many samples? If you use win98se and your working style is not in that direction, you might as well save the money and only get 512MB (using more in 98(se) needs a special tweak). If you use winXP you WILL need loads of RAM, and then 1024 is a very fine choise.
I ones tested how much power my first PC used. It was around 65Watt + the monitor. Never CPUs can consume up to about 60Watts more than my old CPU. Also I only had 1 harddrive. Fans use next to no power. I would say, that if you get a good 350Watt PSU, you should be covered in plenty.
Transfering files from one PC to the other ... I would rather use a USB-pen than putting a having a netcard in my working PC. I think, that most of the USB/Pulsar trouble came from older bx440 motherboards. I do not have any trouble with having USB enabled and using 19DSPs in the same machine. USB-devices can be disconnected you know.
Asus has a pretty good name in the mother board bussyness. I have in internet fora seen a lot of trouble with sertain Asus-boards. They came up with a very early board with S-ATA. That was one of the boards, that a lot of people struggled with. I use an Asus board myself - I just do not say, they are the only good. If I should buy today, I would probably go for an Abit B7. This motherboard also support FSBs at 800MHz. Abit has a long standing good reputation among overclockers. I would take that as a good hint in direction of stability. Also when I have read about Abit boards, it seams, that they often go a step further beyond the average to get absolute stability. The mainboard is one of the most important parts in a stable PC.
Some Radeon 9000 cards come with passive cooling. I would take one of those rather than one with a cheap little screamer.
Like Spirit I must say, that having 2 monitors - even if they are 15" and run 1024/768 are far more convinient than using one 19" at 1280/1024 - especially, when you run more than one program - wich you do. For this Matrox is still the old champ. They are not gaming cards, but they are targeted at bussiness people, and that shows of in their custommer service. They have a message board (closed in the weekends), and at that board, they have people employed to answer your questions. The one who helped me had 6000+ replies.
If you want a lot of hard drive space for the money, then do not get a 20 or 40GB drive for you OS/programs. Get a bigger one and make partition for extra storage of your old music files, wich you rarely use. You can always copy them over to your music drive, if you prefer to work on them from there.
A DVD-burner is expensive. If you realy want to spend money on security, then buy an extra harddrive and store it in a bank box. That way even seeing your home burn will not cost you all your music work thru years.
Both of the PC towers you have linked to are chieftech style, so I expect them to have the same features. These are nice to work with, but your drives will make more noise, because of the detatchable drive bays (I have a Chieftech myself). And they do not fit very well with no-vibe harddrive "denoisers/hangers" (don't know an English word). No-vibe makes realy good reduction kits for vibration - without heating up your harddrive (wich is a danger to stability).
With a price diff of 55$, I would say, that for music applications (most of wich takes pretty much CPU-power), the 2.4GB is a better investment. If you go for the Abit B7 ,maybe check out the price of a 1800mHz P4 with 400mHz FSB. You should be able to OC this one to 2.4GB with no problem. I can not tell you however, if a 1800@2400 will be much warmer than a 2400@2400 CPU, but it is possible.
S-ATA: I wouldn't spend my money on it yet. If you buy stuff for it now, it will only be S-ATA1 (I think, that is the word), with a maximum bandwith of 150mb/s. The next generation will have 300mb/s. They will be compatibe with each other, but the speed will be that of the slowest part (controller/drive). Also it is still very new technology, and I tend to like the old and tested (my apollo 133 board was with the newest technology at the time, but bx440 based cards with slower specs where faster).
I hope, I did not forget anything :/ ?
This comes from a person, who never intended to learn about computers, then had loads of trouble with getting his CW card to work (VIA Apollo 133
So much for introduction. Here comes my believes about the "common truths" about making a (music) PC work ... and a lot of other babble. Some of it is obvious, but I will mention it anyway, as reading it will hurt you far less, than maybe not knowing about it:
It is not realy a matter of, how many applications you have on the same OS. But people with loads of applications usually have some bad ones among them - and therefor their PCs does not work well.
There are mainly 3 things, that can make a PC unstable:
1) Bad software*
2) Bad hardware (underpowered PSUs included).
3) Bad configuration/tweaking
*Some othervice good software can have a problem not "owning" the file extensions, wich they are ment to manipulate.
Warez are usually cheap, but they often come at a price anyway. Most of the people, whoom I know, that use warez by greater extend also have more trouble with their PCs, than other people. I believe a hack can serve your PC as well as an original, if it is done right - but that does not not guarantie, that the warez you get (I don't say you use warez. I have had ONE in my PC-time, and I do not use it anymore) are healthy.
Having your important PC not connected to the internet is IMHO a good choise. I have done so for a long time. Let the thrall (your older PC) do the internet acces and virus scanning. It also makes it less likely, that you will be tempted to put a lot of unneeded applications on you important PC.
Learn your tweaks by people who you know, and who uses them for the same stuff as you (like you boddies here at PlanetZ
). You will get loads of tips all over the net, but a lot of it is not good to your specific use.I recommend Seagate Baracuda V (I would take the 120GB model). You can see a review here -> http://www.storagereview.com In my world a silent drive is top priority. I can not remember, if win98se (and below) have a 127GB (or something like that) limitation? There is an old win98 patch, that makes win98 shut down properly with "newer harddrives" (this is 3years old or so). Therefor I think that with 98se it may be a risk to get on of those 8MB cache drives. I ones read, that cache does not matter too much on your music drive. That was also a couple of years ago though, and I do not know the details about how music applications ask for info from the harddrive.
Do you do use many samples? If you use win98se and your working style is not in that direction, you might as well save the money and only get 512MB (using more in 98(se) needs a special tweak). If you use winXP you WILL need loads of RAM, and then 1024 is a very fine choise.
I ones tested how much power my first PC used. It was around 65Watt + the monitor. Never CPUs can consume up to about 60Watts more than my old CPU. Also I only had 1 harddrive. Fans use next to no power. I would say, that if you get a good 350Watt PSU, you should be covered in plenty.
Transfering files from one PC to the other ... I would rather use a USB-pen than putting a having a netcard in my working PC. I think, that most of the USB/Pulsar trouble came from older bx440 motherboards. I do not have any trouble with having USB enabled and using 19DSPs in the same machine. USB-devices can be disconnected you know
.Asus has a pretty good name in the mother board bussyness. I have in internet fora seen a lot of trouble with sertain Asus-boards. They came up with a very early board with S-ATA. That was one of the boards, that a lot of people struggled with. I use an Asus board myself - I just do not say, they are the only good. If I should buy today, I would probably go for an Abit B7. This motherboard also support FSBs at 800MHz. Abit has a long standing good reputation among overclockers. I would take that as a good hint in direction of stability. Also when I have read about Abit boards, it seams, that they often go a step further beyond the average to get absolute stability. The mainboard is one of the most important parts in a stable PC.
Some Radeon 9000 cards come with passive cooling. I would take one of those rather than one with a cheap little screamer.
Like Spirit I must say, that having 2 monitors - even if they are 15" and run 1024/768 are far more convinient than using one 19" at 1280/1024 - especially, when you run more than one program - wich you do. For this Matrox is still the old champ. They are not gaming cards, but they are targeted at bussiness people, and that shows of in their custommer service. They have a message board (closed in the weekends), and at that board, they have people employed to answer your questions. The one who helped me had 6000+ replies.
If you want a lot of hard drive space for the money, then do not get a 20 or 40GB drive for you OS/programs. Get a bigger one and make partition for extra storage of your old music files, wich you rarely use. You can always copy them over to your music drive, if you prefer to work on them from there.
A DVD-burner is expensive. If you realy want to spend money on security, then buy an extra harddrive and store it in a bank box. That way even seeing your home burn will not cost you all your music work thru years.
Both of the PC towers you have linked to are chieftech style, so I expect them to have the same features. These are nice to work with, but your drives will make more noise, because of the detatchable drive bays (I have a Chieftech myself). And they do not fit very well with no-vibe harddrive "denoisers/hangers" (don't know an English word). No-vibe makes realy good reduction kits for vibration - without heating up your harddrive (wich is a danger to stability).
With a price diff of 55$, I would say, that for music applications (most of wich takes pretty much CPU-power), the 2.4GB is a better investment. If you go for the Abit B7 ,maybe check out the price of a 1800mHz P4 with 400mHz FSB. You should be able to OC this one to 2.4GB with no problem. I can not tell you however, if a 1800@2400 will be much warmer than a 2400@2400 CPU, but it is possible.
S-ATA: I wouldn't spend my money on it yet. If you buy stuff for it now, it will only be S-ATA1 (I think, that is the word), with a maximum bandwith of 150mb/s. The next generation will have 300mb/s. They will be compatibe with each other, but the speed will be that of the slowest part (controller/drive). Also it is still very new technology, and I tend to like the old and tested (my apollo 133 board was with the newest technology at the time, but bx440 based cards with slower specs where faster).
I hope, I did not forget anything :/ ?
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Thanks for your full, complete answer Immanuel!
Thanks John we got online again… I was trembling for it…
I have gone through the exact learning process as you did. The only difference is that I have not being following the growing of computer technology over these last 6 years, and so, I’m lost. BTW, you can bet you are helping me much this all this, cos you make me thing and so, I can choose faster.
My system is pretty simple in regard to software, cos I use very little software, opposite to most. I prefer to get to know something deeply, this way I assure you I can do much and better than having so many applications you don’t know exploit to the maximum. It’s important to keep your system clean, I agree with you completely on this. All I would like to go for is Windows XP. I don’t know if home or pro, but XP. Just hope the swap is worth it cos the upgrade is rather expensive for me now, and I have never liked the looks of this very toyed interface.
Impossible for me not to be connected to the Internet, it’s a must, I depend upon it.
When using XP, I’m going to go through all the tweaks explained by Subhuman in a special thread we have here in the Z.
You recommend me Seagate Barracuda V, but they are have only one year guaranty and are not faster, or quieter than the Barracuda IV, I’m not sure they worth the extra expense.
I certainly do, I use lots of samples, most of all due to the fact that I only have 4 DSPs in my Card, so can’t do much with synths. So I use lots and lots of samples yes… I’m going to start with 1GH of Ram.
My case is going to have 430 Watts, TruePower, which is a new and extremely reliable technology from Antec, the Leader in manufacturing of Power Supplies. So no prob…
The transference of files from one PC to another, I’s not a main issue for the moment, so I’m going to take car of is later, through an external solution, when I have a little more money.
I already have decided which MOBO to use, I’m going to put it all together in a next page, so you can read all the specifications in one single sheet.
VERY good advice about the Radeon, I didn’t know there was a passive cooling choice.
I would love to have to monitors, but for the moment my priority must be the CPU unit in general, a little later I’m going to buy a second monitor.
Certainly, I’m going for no less than a primary HD with 60Gb and the secondary one with 80Gbs.
I don’t think it is a good moment to buy a DVD burner anyway, cos the market is divided in two segments, and they are still very expensive. In just one year they will get cheap and the market will have to decide which format to go for, and then will be a good moment to buy a DVD burner, I wouldn’t recommend anybody to buy a DVD burner for the moment for storage purposes. HDs, as you suggest, are a better choice.
There is nowadays sort of a synthetic rubber you can use to quiet your system a little more, they have to be placed in very little amounts in between the devices and the case, when you screw the pieces. I don’t mind a slightly noisier system if it is well protected and cool.
I don’t understand you very well when you say not to use SATA technology but at the same time you are recommending me the Barracuda V, which is a SATA drive. What do you mean Immanuel?
Well, thanks very much for the bother of answering with so much detail…
Happy come back beloved Z Forum!!!
Thanks John we got online again… I was trembling for it…
I have gone through the exact learning process as you did. The only difference is that I have not being following the growing of computer technology over these last 6 years, and so, I’m lost. BTW, you can bet you are helping me much this all this, cos you make me thing and so, I can choose faster.
My system is pretty simple in regard to software, cos I use very little software, opposite to most. I prefer to get to know something deeply, this way I assure you I can do much and better than having so many applications you don’t know exploit to the maximum. It’s important to keep your system clean, I agree with you completely on this. All I would like to go for is Windows XP. I don’t know if home or pro, but XP. Just hope the swap is worth it cos the upgrade is rather expensive for me now, and I have never liked the looks of this very toyed interface.
Impossible for me not to be connected to the Internet, it’s a must, I depend upon it.
When using XP, I’m going to go through all the tweaks explained by Subhuman in a special thread we have here in the Z.
You recommend me Seagate Barracuda V, but they are have only one year guaranty and are not faster, or quieter than the Barracuda IV, I’m not sure they worth the extra expense.
I certainly do, I use lots of samples, most of all due to the fact that I only have 4 DSPs in my Card, so can’t do much with synths. So I use lots and lots of samples yes… I’m going to start with 1GH of Ram.
My case is going to have 430 Watts, TruePower, which is a new and extremely reliable technology from Antec, the Leader in manufacturing of Power Supplies. So no prob…
The transference of files from one PC to another, I’s not a main issue for the moment, so I’m going to take car of is later, through an external solution, when I have a little more money.
I already have decided which MOBO to use, I’m going to put it all together in a next page, so you can read all the specifications in one single sheet.
VERY good advice about the Radeon, I didn’t know there was a passive cooling choice.
I would love to have to monitors, but for the moment my priority must be the CPU unit in general, a little later I’m going to buy a second monitor.
Certainly, I’m going for no less than a primary HD with 60Gb and the secondary one with 80Gbs.
I don’t think it is a good moment to buy a DVD burner anyway, cos the market is divided in two segments, and they are still very expensive. In just one year they will get cheap and the market will have to decide which format to go for, and then will be a good moment to buy a DVD burner, I wouldn’t recommend anybody to buy a DVD burner for the moment for storage purposes. HDs, as you suggest, are a better choice.
There is nowadays sort of a synthetic rubber you can use to quiet your system a little more, they have to be placed in very little amounts in between the devices and the case, when you screw the pieces. I don’t mind a slightly noisier system if it is well protected and cool.
I don’t understand you very well when you say not to use SATA technology but at the same time you are recommending me the Barracuda V, which is a SATA drive. What do you mean Immanuel?
Well, thanks very much for the bother of answering with so much detail…
Happy come back beloved Z Forum!!!
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Nestor
- Posts: 6688
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- Location: Fourth Dimension Paradise, Cloud Nine!
These are the spec of my new system, what do you think now that I have cleared my mind quite a bit?
CASE:
Antec - Plus1080AMG - Full-Tower Case Metallic Grey with 430 Watt Power Supply and Front Media Ports - Supports ATX Mainboards
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... =A453-1042
MOBO:
ASUS P4PE (Standard)
CPU:
Intel Pentium 2.4.B 533 MHz FSB, 0.13 micron Northwood.
MEMORY:
DDR PC2700 • CL=2.5 • Unbuffered • Non-parity • 6ns • 2.5V • 64Meg x 64. To be found at: http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.a ... CT6464Z335
HD Drives:
Don't know what to get yet...
VIDEO CARD:
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro (passive cooling)
CDRW:
ASUS CRW-5224A (ASUS 52X/24X/ 52X CD-ReWriter)
CD drive:
(don’t know yet, but a fast one)
KEYBOARD:
Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard. Manufacturer Part No: 967233-0403.
MOUSE:
Cordless... but far too expensive, don't know which one, nevertheless I LOVE TO DEATH the Mouseman Wheel cordless, if you have never tryed it, you MUST try it, it's just perfect for your hands, it feels great.
So, what do you think so far?
CASE:
Antec - Plus1080AMG - Full-Tower Case Metallic Grey with 430 Watt Power Supply and Front Media Ports - Supports ATX Mainboards
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... =A453-1042
MOBO:
ASUS P4PE (Standard)
CPU:
Intel Pentium 2.4.B 533 MHz FSB, 0.13 micron Northwood.
MEMORY:
DDR PC2700 • CL=2.5 • Unbuffered • Non-parity • 6ns • 2.5V • 64Meg x 64. To be found at: http://www.crucial.com/store/listmfgr.a ... CT6464Z335
HD Drives:
Don't know what to get yet...
VIDEO CARD:
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro (passive cooling)
CDRW:
ASUS CRW-5224A (ASUS 52X/24X/ 52X CD-ReWriter)
CD drive:
(don’t know yet, but a fast one)
KEYBOARD:
Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard. Manufacturer Part No: 967233-0403.
MOUSE:
Cordless... but far too expensive, don't know which one, nevertheless I LOVE TO DEATH the Mouseman Wheel cordless, if you have never tryed it, you MUST try it, it's just perfect for your hands, it feels great.
So, what do you think so far?
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marcuspocus
- Posts: 2310
- Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2001 4:00 pm
- Location: Canada/France
Hi Nestor, i had very bad experience with ATI.... The radeon 9000 specificaly, i friend have it and had so much problem with it that he returned it...
Would you consider having a look at the new Matrox? Cheaper than Parhelia, and without fan (less noise) the P650 and P750?
Seriously, once you got a matrox, you know you wont buy anything else after...
Would you consider having a look at the new Matrox? Cheaper than Parhelia, and without fan (less noise) the P650 and P750?
Seriously, once you got a matrox, you know you wont buy anything else after...