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If you are in the EU, one can use Extended Security Updates, ESU for annother year of Updates for free (requires Microsoft online account)
You can also pay M$ for the 3years extended updates they provide (this time ESU is for end users, too)
You can dual boot into Win11 for internet Access (and offline-install software in Win10 audio system)
You can use https://0patch.com/Win10.html to have windows10 patched "on the Fly in RAM" while running ; costs 25€ ($28) annually..
You can use win10 ltsc or Windows Server, but that means reinstallation;
You can use Flyoob to do an inplace Win10=>Win11 upgrade (peferably on a copy of your HDD, keeping your running setup intact) even on unsupported hardware with all your programs still installed (you need to disable the KI stuff afterwards, e.g. with https://github.com/zoicware/RemoveWindowsAI).
You can start over with an audio-optimized Win11 via https://atlasos.net/ (plus Windows tweaks from NI, Steinberg etc. plus guru3d Tweaks like https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/a-tri ... us.453523/) => thats's what I did

Thank you !
It´s all only compromises and workaround s##t.
I don´ want to pay MS and I don´t want MS online account.
What comes after 1-3 years extended support ?
It´s time to move.

Linux on PC for Office, Apple for audio/MIDI.

I think about selling XITE-1 now and use SCOPE PCI 32Bit (v5.1 and v7) on ancient WinXP and Win7 Pro machines.

doable?
maybe. i don't know, sorry.

new plugins do what old ones do at this point(mostly).

no, m$ is not likely to attack your machine. try running an update in win7. nothing happens.

yes, defender will be updated through 2028, at least that's the word right now.
otherwise, you can just use another antivirus and ignore defender. if the other antivirus is the default app, the defender does nothing.

MS won’t make it stop working, but there were patches for XP that made it extremely annoying. And yet look at how many people here used that for so long.

There’s plenty of documentation about how to block the telemetry and other systems in Windows 10 that call home. The easiest way to block outbound traffic and let it through temporarily is rules on your router. A good third-party firewall will also do this in software.

If you’re running and out of date operating system, you have to at some point accept that commercial software may stop supporting you. I still run logic on a very old Mac Pro, I simply froze all plug-ins to the last versions that worked, and surprisingly some developers still support that operating system which has been end of life by Apple for over a decade now.

i still use XP software that i like, on win10. it's not supported. it works for all the uses i need it for.

If you eventually decide to move to Windows 11 on those older machines, the easiest and safest method right now is FlyOOBE, not a manual hack. Just note that the actual upgrade tool is FlyUp.exe inside the FlyOOBE folder that’s what handles the Win10 , Win11 install with all the bypasses already built in.

FlyUp works well on older hardware because it doesn’t rely on Windows Update or your existing update components (which is important if your current Win10 is heavily tweaked or has update services disabled). It performs the upgrade in a controlled environment and avoids the common rollback issues that happen with registry tweaks alone.

If you want to keep your current Win10 setup exactly as it is, you can just clone the drive, run FlyUp on the clone, and keep the original untouched. That way you can test Win11 without risking anything.

I update both my Mac and PC regularly to keep O/S, UAD, Reason, Harrison Mixbus up to date and in parallel. All this without much time or issue and with both machines connected to the internet. So yeah it's doable if you're on the latest. Legacy old O/S I dunno.

I don't need to do this to keep making music, I just do it anyways.

garyb wrote: Tue Oct 21, 2025 10:07 am windows 10 LTSC will run for many, many more years.
it is a business license. look to youtube for instructions. you will need a new key, which is about $10.

Just upgraded my Windows 10 to windows 10 Iot LTSC, without lossing data.
Everything works as it should.