NOAH Screen scrambled

[valis]

I would guess it's a voltage sag (capacitor/PSU) or some trace (broken solder) that isn't used until that point, hence my response. Sagging power or cap is the most likely...

[garyb]

it's an old school standard ATX supply. you could try another...

[MrV]

Ok thanks chaps , I'll try another ATX power supply.
I have one here .

[Bud Weiser]

it's an old school standard ATX supply. you could try another...

With "standard" I meant today´s ATX PSUs.

Some time ago, my tech, he himself owning a Noah EX himself, said there´s something special.
Connector(s) ?
A voltage which has to deliver enough mAh and needs to be stable ?
I dunno.

Possibly "old school" explains,- no ?

You say, the Intel Pentium 4 qualified ATX PSUs will work and modern ones do too ?
I´m pretty sure the P4 qualified ATX PSUs were different from Pentium 3 qualified ones.
I know because I toasted a P4 qualified one when connecting to a P3 socket ASUS mainboard.
It was the connector in that case.



Bud

[MrV]

I have a spare 500 Watt ATX PSU that was running an asus z89 ( I think ? ) mobo that had 3 Scope PCI cards .
I noticed the Noah PSU has similar bundled power leads / connectors
Will give it a try ....
This Noah issue actually does seem like a faulty PSU .

[MrV]

Hey it's Fixed !!

Thanks so much Budweiser , Valis and GaryB

I swapped in a spare 500 watt ATX .

The old one I removed was 250 watts ATX so there's a bit of power headroom now also .

Cheers , Michael

[Bud Weiser]

Hey it's Fixed !!

Thanks so much Budweiser , Valis and GaryB

I swapped in a spare 500 watt ATX .

The old one I removed was 250 watts ATX so there's a bit of power headroom now also .

Cheers , Michael

Hey, that´s great,- congrats !!!

B.t.w., I´ve got the info for Noah PSU ...
It should deliver stable -12 volts,- and not all the PSUs do.



Bud

[MrV]

Ok . I assume the voltage is ok because it's running ok... I think ...
About to install the v1.1 software and leave Noah running for a while so we'll see

[Bud Weiser]

Ok . I assume the voltage is ok because it's running ok... I think ...

Yeah,- you´re lucky,- and when it works flawlessly,- it works.



Bud

[MrV]

Seems quite stable so far ...

Hey , trying to install USB drivers here .

It says to select Windows via the System/ Device/USBcom menu then turn off the Noah then connect it's USB and turn it back on again when XP is running.

I downloaded v1.1 from S-C Downloads and burnt it to a data CD
( the CD burner in this XP laptop is dead so I have an external CD burner connected via 2 USBs )

When I turn on the Noah again WinXP picks it up ..then the wizard finds the CD and I can hear it working .
But then "The wizard could not find the software on your computer..."
Did I miss something here ?

Where are the actual USB drivers in the disc? maybe I should point directly to them?
I'm starting to remember how touchy XP can be.

[MrV]

....seems like something in XP is blocking 3rd party driver insts.
Could that be it?
You mentioned something about the equivalent of Driver Signing?
Windows Firewall maybe ?!

[Bud Weiser]

....seems like something in XP is blocking 3rd party driver insts.
Could that be it?
You mentioned something about the equivalent of Driver Signing?
Windows Firewall maybe ?!

I mentioned it earlier already (see above) ...

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set to "ignore" and make it "system default".

Reboot and install the Noah remote Editor software v1.1.
Finally you should have working USB, MIDI, WAVE and ASIO drivers and can use it for playback of media players.
ASIO works too, but because of age it´s not as good as today´s ASIO drivers,- RME or such.

When I used Win XP for Scope, I had to do also for Scope v5.1

I hope that helps and will work for you.



Bud

[valis]

You will have to do this for most things now, the certificates in WinXP will have expired for most signing purposes.

[LunaMan]

All good. The ATX PSU fixed it

[MrV]

Hi Budweiser ,

Noah is set to Windows

I set XP Driver Signing to "Ignore" , set as Default , Rebooted and tried again .

XP finds the Noah . I selected "Install From Removable Media"
I can then see/hear the CDR searching the Noah disc.
But I'm still getting "The wizard cannot find...."

Should I install the Noah software first and get back to this later instead ?.

M

[MrV]

Actually I think it's all working.
The Windows XP installation messages appear to be wrong ...

I have the software installed and controlling the Noah and ADAT out to my Scope system .

[Bud Weiser]

Hi Budweiser ,

Noah is set to Windows

I set XP Driver Signing to "Ignore" , set as Default , Rebooted and tried again .

XP finds the Noah . I selected "Install From Removable Media"
I can then see/hear the CDR searching the Noah disc.
But I'm still getting "The wizard cannot find...."

Hmmm, dunno what that is ...
I didn´t install from disc.
Instead, I downloaded all the latest software files needed after I got keys from S|C.
For installation, I had everything in a folder on desktop and pointed on locations/sub-folders containing requested files to install drivers and software v1.1.
That worked perfect after I had set driver signing to "ignore".
I never let windows search for files to find "the best".

When you read my posts about reflashing Noah and driver/software installation, you´ll get the impression this will be a nitemare always,- but it isn´t.
I simply didn´t recognize that "driver signing" issue early enough.
It ruined a Win XP installation on my old 32Bit DAW and drove me nuts.
In fact, I could have done everything in about 1-2 hrs once I had working keys available.

Should I install the Noah software first and get back to this later instead ?

Don´t understand your question.
Are your drivers installed CORRECTLY or NOT ?
Do you see yellow question marks in device manager or read "driver installed,- but not working" or similar messages when opening related driver properties?

Be sure everything is perfect,- then go to your media and start "setup.exe" for Noah Remote Editor 1.1 manually.

When you´re ready and had synchronized Noah Remote Editor and Noah (EX) for the 1st time, checked registry for keys and devices being installed, let me know please.
I´m interested in if you have the (formerly optional) Prophet 5.dev installed and how it works on your Noah.
I´ll shoot a PM then !



Bud

[Bud Weiser]

Actually I think it's all working.
The Windows XP installation messages appear to be wrong ...

I have the software installed and controlling the Noah and ADAT out to my Scope system .

Double check if it works bi-directional.
It´s because of having same "content" in Noah flash memory and inside editor (on disk)
Use the "Synchronizer" in NRE and there are the "from Noah" and "to Noah" tabs.



Bud

[MrV]

Actually , even though I was sending midi to it and assigning various synths to Noah mixer channels and hearing those back in Scope and playing with various synths controls ...the drivers were still not installed ( ?? ) and I assumed they were because I was controlling the synths from the editor..
( must have been only the USB drivers installed )
Anyway now they are ... I updated the Noah and Wave drivers via Device Manager.

I need to study the manual obviously because I've never used this thing.

What do you mean by "bi-directional" ?
I can't see any From Noah or To Noah tabs in the Synchroniser ??

Also , in the registry there is only the Hardware SN there are no keys displayed. Hmmm that's not good . But the synths are working fine in the Noah and outputting sound . So how is that possible ?

Maybe because Noah is v1 but the new software is v1.1 ?.

[valis]

Someone above mentioned 1.1 firmware enabled the full features for the editor, though I haven't scrolled back and am just recalling from following this thread so I may be off a bit. I don't own one of these units to confirm, but if the PSU swap is indeed giving you guys new life I'm happy that this thread is here.