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hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat May 17, 2008 1:00 am

rhythmaster wrote:XITE-1 has 18 DSPs

this means 10 times 14 old-DSP's.

So XITE-1 is about 10 old Professional Systems sold for approx. 2800 Euro incl. VAT.
So just divided by 10 one "PRO-Sys" is only 280 Euro!!!!!

That's a big reduction in price!

YEAH!

its called Moore`s Law and is not directly a price reduction.

but I get your point.

menno · Post by **menno** » Sat May 17, 2008 1:57 am

One thing I'd love to see addressed is the fact that if you have multiple cards/XITE's etc you can end up paying for devices several times. I have three cards, each with many devices duplicated.

Previously this was not a problem as there was a market for second hand devices, but that kind of got destroyed by the numerous bundle deals.

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat May 17, 2008 2:21 am

i seriously doubt that you need more than one xite-1 box at all.

but maybe if you are doing an orchestra of life with 512 voices and 512 comps and EQs.

you couldn`t share plug-ins between more than 4 Pro boards anyways, because you couldn`t connect more than 3 or 4 via TDM cable in a computer case.

so if you transfer your licenses to one xite box, you have an äquivalent of 10 pro boards connected via TDM cable.

In my opinion, this is an improvement, not a problem.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sat May 17, 2008 5:10 am

With the high price of gasoline and heating fuel, the weak dollar, the mortgage crisis and rising inflation, this is a very unfortunate time to launch an expensive product.

Paul, it will be difficult to find PCI equipped motherboards in the near future. The cards will have some value to you but your computer will increasingly be junk. There are few if any motherboards with ISA slots that I know of and that is the way it should be. Computers progress and cards need to progress too. They are selling cards devised many years ago. This is ancient technology. Most of us are not getting this xite thing so why is everyone so happy about it? Who exactly is their target market? Most of the musicians are spending money on VSTi.

For those of us who happen to have a few thousand dollars to spend, it would be more cost effective to buy a new fast computer.

They should spam me when they have something I want to buy.

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Sat May 17, 2008 6:15 am

braincell wrote:Most of us are not getting this xite thing so why is everyone so happy about it?

Those who are happy are those who plan to get it....probably....

braincell wrote:They should spam me when they have something I want to buy.

fantastic!

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat May 17, 2008 7:10 am

depends, I think some users simply prefer the SC tools over VSTs because they believe in the better sound. (like me).

If you think you can do all the same with a fast computer. Get one and "good luck" in the crappy VSTi and VSTfx world.

I for myself have completly given up to use tools based on VST standard.

And I welcome the XITE-1.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sat May 17, 2008 8:16 am

Some people like innovation, some people like gigabytes of high quality samples streaming from the hard drive, some people like to use software without having to squint to see the teeny tiny windows which can never be maximized, some people like to use original software which is not just a copy "classic" gear, some people don't need to be bothered with tiny fake patch cables.

Fluxpod · Post by **Fluxpod** » Sat May 17, 2008 8:36 am

The ammount of ignorance and biased oppinions is reaching critical levels..
Xite is a pro product= No money no game.A Pt Hd 3 rig is around 10 K ...
Vsti s dont have to sound bad.Absynth/reaktor...and so on.
Yes scope synths are really good sounding in their own way but they are not the end of the road in the digital world and itb!
Some people need to raise their horizont a little.

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Sat May 17, 2008 8:36 am

braincell wrote:Some people like innovation, some people like gigabytes of high quality samples streaming from the hard drive, some people like to use software without having to squint to see the teeny tiny windows which can never be maximized, some people like to use original software which is not just a copy "classic" gear, some people don't need to be bothered with tiny fake patch cables.

Some other prefer Scope....most of those here I think....it must be good for something for you too if you still have it......it doesn't conflict with or forbid all you said, right? So, what's your point? Getting some excuses from S.C. because they sell A and you like B? Or convert the people here?

Sometimes I really try to figure what's your purpose, but i have hard time. Why don't you try to enjoy what you already have a bit? Just a little bit....

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat May 17, 2008 8:54 am

Fluxpod wrote:The ammount of ignorance and biased oppinions is reaching critical levels..
Xite is a pro product= No money no game.A Pt Hd 3 rig is around 10 K ...
Vsti s dont have to sound bad.Absynth/reaktor...and so on.
Yes scope synths are really good sounding in their own way but they are not the end of the road in the digital world and itb!
Some people need to raise their horizont a little.

no offense.

seriously I think I can do everything all that 1000 vst can do in scope at least in same and in most cases in better quality.

I found myself getting better results the more I limit myself to a few tools.

To me scope scope has the far better reverbs compared to native.
far better sounding synths.
and more analog sounding filters, like interpole
and even the basic modular filter sounds somehow more analog than any native highend modelling filter.

and as synths, filters and reverbs are the most critical things when it comes to emulation software, I feel more than satisfied with just the scope environment.

For sure some little things could be improved:
- like the sampler series could get more intuitive.
- and some more and new atoms for the sdk would be great:
sound mangling, phase distortion, better pitch shifting, interpolated shapers, wavetable tools and so on....

but the basic structure and overall sound in scope is just perfect.

If SC plan to work on the synth and fx devices after the release of the XITE-1 and the solaris project with JB I think they got a bright and great future.

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Sat May 17, 2008 9:10 am

hifiboom wrote:
but the basic structure and overall sound in scope is just perfect.
.

I posted in the Music forum a track i made using exclusively 4 samples of recordings made to test flat tires behaviour in different pavements, basiclly 4 shapes of noise as the only sound source (no other oscillators or samples) and Scope (with FleXor, i never do something without)....I don't think that there is a piece of software and a structure that allows that result in less than 3 hours of work. for the finished product. It's called "On The Road". Maybe with 15k$ you can get native software to do a pale approximation of this. I used 3 modular patches and a couple SSB delays in the mixer, reverb and that was all.

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Sat May 17, 2008 9:10 am

Still OK. The Xite-1 just seem to be at an out of range price (3 000 €) for many people but ...

... I guess there would be some downsized entry level units to later complete the range offered. Just think about it: the klangbox were offering almost the DSP power of a NOAH Ex as they provide the same polyphony for same plug-in. The NOAH Ex has 10 ADSP21065 DPS inside (the type used for scope PCI board). The price of a klangbox unit was in the 300/400 € range.

The basic Xite unit I was dreamnig about with 1/3rd of the Xite-1 DSP power would probably be priced under 1 000 €. An intermediate one with 2/3rd of the DSP power would probably be priced under 2 000 €.

I also thought the 15-DSP board were out of my budget and I finally got one.

The good news anyway is that there will be soon new hardware !!!

The Gizmo Synth shown at the MusikMesse also indicate that plug-in developpement has started again rather than just repackaging the old good plug-in. It would probably even work on our "old" PCI scope board...

Even Frank Hund and Use Audio has announced 2 new plugs for their Plugiator... but sadly not for the old Scope platform.

CheerZ

ARCADIOS · Post by **ARCADIOS** » Sat May 17, 2008 11:40 am

the scope 5 platform is available

DO AS WITH SCOPE 4.5

RIGHT CLICK ON SCOPE ICON
RENAME.... SCOPE 5.

DONE

nightscope · Post by **nightscope** » Sat May 17, 2008 2:24 pm

http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/ ... -available

ns

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sat May 17, 2008 2:55 pm

Alfonzo,

I mainly don't want the development team to be working only on projects that won't benefit most current users and that seems to be what is happening. If the SFP keeps getting neglected, it's not living up to the original promise of a platform that will grow. Version 5 doesn't seem very exciting. I bought the mix and master set already.

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Sat May 17, 2008 4:25 pm

braincell wrote:Alfonzo,

I mainly don't want the development team to be working only on projects that won't benefit most current users and that seems to be what is happening. If the SFP keeps getting neglected, it's not living up to the original promise of a platform that will grow. Version 5 doesn't seem very exciting. I bought the mix and master set already.

Braincell, I think that things are going logically, instead. Now it is the time for an hardware re-design. OSX, Vista, Portability and a much much stronger power on a better bus. This is what the guys are doing. The software is already the most incredible assortment of tools that you can see around. the good thing is that you can also use whatever native you won't, it is perfectly compatible.

iSiStOy · Post by **iSiStOy** » Sun May 18, 2008 6:25 am

I posted in the Music forum a track i made using exclusively 4 samples of recordings made to test flat tires behaviour in different pavements, basiclly 4 shapes of noise as the only sound source (no other oscillators or samples) and Scope (with FleXor, i never do something without)....

Woooop again! That deserves respect m8! Doesn't surprise me from the baby/flexor though.

this platform is largely an equivalent to a NM G2.
And it's Computer native!
Please SC, let us see the innovations. Even if I can't buy this tool now, I know it's based on my current card architecture! Maybe in a year...

That's why we believe in scope I guess: no soft nor hard can stand against its possibilities and its integration in the PC env.

menno · Post by **menno** » Sun May 18, 2008 11:27 am

hifiboom wrote: so if you transfer your licenses to one xite box, you have an äquivalent of 10 pro boards connected via TDM cable.

In my opinion, this is an improvement, not a problem.

What I mean is that if I were to buy a XITE, I am paying for devices which I have already bought three times in the past (or more due to various bundles I bought also.)

Post by **garyb** » Sun May 18, 2008 1:48 pm

no, you're buying the hardware. the plugins are a nice bonus. this allows you to sell the cards or have another computer if you wish.

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Sun May 18, 2008 1:58 pm

menno wrote:
hifiboom wrote: so if you transfer your licenses to one xite box, you have an äquivalent of 10 pro boards connected via TDM cable.

In my opinion, this is an improvement, not a problem.
What I mean is that if I were to buy a XITE, I am paying for devices which I have already bought three times in the past (or more due to various bundles I bought also.)

Buying an Xite-1 in case most of the available plug available for the platform (at least those included with the scope Pro Board I guess) would actually not be a mean to get new device for your Scope platform. The trick is you would get the DSP expansion at the same time (and what an expansion). Then I am not sure people buying such a unit really need to keep their "old scope PCI boards". So maybe you would sell them. And if you do not have to transfer the plugs or only one instance of them, then you can sell your old scope board with the plugs which should help you to get more money for them ...

I see the Xite unit more as a DSP-power expansion rather than a revolution in the platform. The main idea would be to get extra room for some fantastic but DSP-hungry already available plugs.
The drawback is anybody has to get larger Display to have room enough to organize a project with many plugs at the same time !!!
But who knows ... maybe the Scope 5.0 software package would also include some new stuff, which means the new stuff would be available also for "old PCI scope board". What was shown at the Musikmesse was 3 new plugs included in scope 5.0:
- 1 equalizer SC-EQS
- 1 compressor SC-CS
- 1 stereo to 5.1 hall SC room 5.1
Jsut getting through the messe reports I just noticed I was confused

with the figures:
- the Xite-1 has 18 DSP units and not 10 !!!
- it offer around 10 times the power of an "old" 15-DSP scope Pro board.
I will correct my speculations in my earlier post in this topic.

We will get some news soon as the Xite-1 is announced to be available at Thomman the 31st of May.

CheerZ