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This is fantastic!, i hope the canadian dollar doesant sink with the US by may!.

I have only 1 question.
does it have its own memory for reverbs and delays.

if so how much and is it expandable. (well thats 2 questions really) if so it would be much better for people with laptops and flakey (nvidia, AMD etc) PCs

in other words anyone could use it.

I bet people are happy they stuck with scope!

oops double

johnbowen wrote:Hi,
I can say:
(1) it is not a cooperation between inDSP and Sonic Core - only Sonic Core created this!
(2), it is not a Solaris in a rack.

cheers,
john b.

thats simply awesome. I`m pretty sure John, you have been informed a bit earlier than our community.
You must have done a hard job to keep this secret for you and not share it with others.
This is so awesome news!

I won`t even think about the possibilities that this sheer power gives for new plug-in developements:
I think about more extreme oscillator models, more dsp-heavy filter models, physical modelling in extreme way, convolution (although i am not a fan of it), anti-aliasing in almost every atom, hell simply more high quality developments for an already superior sounding platform.

Thats a dream for every end-user but also for every dsp designer:
We simply can do more dsp heavy stuff without affecting f.e. polyphony on a synth.

I`m also happy that this new system assures the old modularity, thats one of the main factors why I love scope so much.

THATS SOOOOOOOOOOO GREAT! Simply FASCINATING!

This is great news!

kylie wrote:
hmm. no Z-Link port means you cannot hook an A16U to it...

You can hook the A16U up via ADAT fr 16 I/O of 44.1K/48K.

Suddenly, busting up my Z-link on my A16U doesn't seem all that bad ..

voidar wrote:This is great news!

kylie wrote:
hmm. no Z-Link port means you cannot hook an A16U to it...

You can hook the A16U up via ADAT fr 16 I/O of 44.1K/48K.

ok, yes. I actually meant additionally hook up the A16U, since you can, of course, use any adat capable ad/da or preamp.
but if there is no possibility to swap I/O plates like before, it would mean adding another XITE for more I/O. and that's far more expensive than just getting a used luna with adat expansion for cheap and having lots of additional ports within moments.
but then, we don't know more than what is just announced, and who knows what future will bring...

-greetings, markus-

I expect they will have "x16x or "x32" or something which connects to XTDM for expansion.

yep !

GREATTTTT NEEEEWS INDEED

wish you all the best ... for the future ...

cheers
Eric, olive
Digital Audio Soft

Neutron wrote:I expect they will have "x16x or "x32" or something which connects to XTDM for expansion.

that was my first guess, but well, we're gonna have to wait until they release the full specs...

who will ask for a new forum first?

Well, you need to think of this way.

This new box acts like your DSP-cards does. Buying additional cards used to be expenssive, but I suspect that is what you will have to do in the future too for more DSP and I/O.
Just look how the new A16U fit into the xite-1 paradigm.

I would rather expect xites with different I/O-configurations, xite-2, xite-3 ect, but who knows.

Neutron wrote: I have only 1 question.
does it have its own memory for reverbs and delays.

this shouldn`be a big problem at all even if it doesn`t have onboard memory.

It is pci-express meaning the transferspeed into and from host memory is way more powerful.

if you now are able to load 15 masterverbs with pci, using pci-express you can expect a multiplication depending on the pci-express lanes used.

The pci bus is able to transfer ~130mb/s - overhead

on PCIe lane 1-to-1 connection can transfer alread 250mb/s

so depending on how many PCIe lanes are available or used you can reach transfer speeds of up to 8GB/s

I think up to 32 lanes are possible but this depends on the PCIe card that is used for connecting this Scope XITE box.

If they use 4 lanes for example you wil have almost 10 times the transfer bandwidth of the old system.

hifiboom wrote: If they use 4 lanes for example you wil have almost 10 times the transfer bandwidth of the old system.

they won't, unless they want to force everybody to buy expensive server boards for their pcs.
I don't know anything about the specs of an intel mac, concerning pci-e, but most consumer pc boards are equipped with pci-e x1 only.

hifiboom wrote:

Neutron wrote: I have only 1 question.
does it have its own memory for reverbs and delays.

this shouldn`be a big problem at all even if it doesn`t have onboard memory.

It is pci-express meaning the transferspeed into and from host memory is way more powerful.

if you now are able to load 15 masterverbs with pci, using pci-express you can expect a multiplication depending on the pci-express lanes used.

The pci bus is able to transfer ~130mb/s - overhead

on PCIe lane 1-to-1 connection can transfer alread 250mb/s

so depending on how many PCIe lanes are available or used you can reach transfer speeds of up to 8GB/s

I think up to 32 lanes are possible but this depends on the PCIe card that is used for connecting this Scope XITE box.

If they use 4 lanes for example you wil have almost 10 times the transfer bandwidth of the old system.

yes but the fact that it is having to do that at all is a bit silly. memory is very cheap, and it would be better not sending data back and forth zillions of times, and relying on someone elses dodgy hardware when you dont need to.

think about what the most problems happen. not in scope cards but in some PCs PCI bus or chipset. think of the saved time with service calls, compatibility lists etc etc.

and PCIe might be faster but it is still attached to the same chipset still has microarchitecture, drivers etc made by the same #$%#$

true but we don`t know to less about the new platform, the chips used on it, and maybe it comes with onboard memory also.

lets just enjoy the fact that a new platform is almost there.

Hell, our budgets are exited for buying!!! What a consumism so pleasant.

The onboard memory (I hope so), may be important when conecting to a laptop, isn´t??
Is the Expresscard the typical PCMCIA card? I have an IBM Thinkpad T40. Will be compatible?
The PCI bandwith would be limited by the own pcmcia in my case...

XP @ 64bit, 1U only,....remarkable.

I am pre-paying this today @ Pro Music Exchange.

I figure it will be A stock, which means 20 % off of retail. That should about 3200 USD.........Fine with me. One month of Spartanistic lifestyle to have a new rack of unspeakable power,.......Buenisimo !!!

AES/EBU


I have a dream................

Solaris 5.0, Prowave 1.2, Multi-Synth WS4-MKII, Wolf's 32, FB5, and MB4 II, and several of Warp69, and HifiBoom Reverbs in one box.

Check the Purchasing Thread,...........I'm selling my clothes, I won't need them in Heaven.

I cannot believe this! Truly great news of this year! This platform is about to be immensely powerful. One question tho, will our old hardware be compatible with the new or will i have to sell my current cards?

ssssssssssshhhhhhhh

And this could be some of first SoniCore V5 pictures. This is from soniccore site:

It´s unjust!!!

We need an urgent work from scientifics. They must extend our life expectancy to can enjoy all this. It´s unjust to leave this world when things became better!!!

I am guessing that basically what they did is take a 14 dsp card and upgrade to tiger shark dsps. Then convert pci bus to pcix and rack mount it. Device drivers would change but the sfp would probably be virtually unchanged.

Seems like this is something creamware should have be working even before sonic core came alone.