To switch or not? P965 For P35

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:11 am

Just buy the PCM91 and use the real thing w/ warp69's stuff.

In this way you could run a dual w/ the 91, and add the other 2 to the AUX's or MB4 Buss's.

Shroomz had the record w/ 60 MV's I believe.

maky325 · Post by **maky325** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:16 am

stardust wrote:What could help:

Using 2 cards connected with STDM to free PCI bus by balancing access to memory

Using 2nd generation cards only since they are known to be more effivient in PCI resource usage.

Being awyre that A100 P100 are high end algorithms. There are reverbs there that use less resources

Optimizing your Mobo performance by avoiding any concurring southbridge usage

BTW H100 will very likely never be released. At least the developer told us so here in the forum

BTW do yourcats have eyes at the right place

Ditto all that allready with no success !!! I have 2nd generation cards, connected via STDM or not always same results. Been there done that. I know everything about P-100 and i dont want something else. I am using what i like not what i am forced to use. Again i am not weekend user or something. But thank you for your input. And yes cats does have eyes at right place. Nature is perfect. It is not like human made chipset ;9

I am going to buy supermicro MB...Thanks again

katano · Post by **katano** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:31 am

mpodrug wrote:
stardust wrote:About your observation regarding reverbs.

It has been discussed already.

The memory on scope cards is very limited to the sharc onboard memory.
Reverbs and delays need memory for the inherent delay lines.
So an algorithm has to allocate system memory via the PCI bus.

That is the reason why there is such a thing like a 'MV test', because it brings the PCI bandwidth to a limit.

So wondering about that you are unlucky with reverbs is wondering why the cat has holes in the fur where the eyes are allocated.
Really? Well thank you for your observation and clever analogy So what if i have project with one P-100 and one A-100 on aux. I can only dream about using I-100 on group or if they release H-100. I like Timewroks reverb because of sound. I can only run twoof them on scope pro card. AFAIK user are reporting to run 5 without any problem on single card. Three would be enough to me. My point is not to be able to use 10 masterverbs. As you can see i have some problems etc. So i believe i should worry about my PCI bus performance yes thank you very much. And as you can read at start of this thread i will be on scope for long time and i want stable system for future so yes i will worry about PCI as is right now.

Btw i have 7. cats here

it's not only the reverbs using lots of pci ressources, i run into pci problems from time to time when using alot ASIO2 24bit connections from cubase (24 to be precise). and in combination with reverbs and delays on aux it definitely becomes unstable sometimes. i'm using 3 scope pros btw with 5 stdm cables...

i.e. i'm not able to mix 24 asio2-24bit channels with a100 AND p100, i always have to choose only one of them... of course lots of other plugins are used in the same project, too.

so if someone can use both of the most fantastic sounding reverbs in such a large mixing environment, LET ME KNOW what system you use

just my 2 swiss cents

maky325 · Post by **maky325** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:37 am

Hi. Just small report. today i have a chance and i did some quick test on intel 975xbx2 mainboard.

Clean install. Everything disabled onboard etc.14DSP Again 10 masterverbs !!!

Adding one Pulsar II so 21(20 real) and i can run 12 Masterverb. This is some slight improvement since on Asus P5BE i cant run more then 10 masterverb even with 20DSP. So it seems that intel board does have better PCI resourcing but results are under expected so i am going for Supermicro Mb that is sure.

Btw on that intel MB i can run three P-100 without a problem along with STS5000, minimax,vectron etc....On Asus P5BE i cant run more then two P-100 without PCI overflow and DSP error...

maky325 · Post by **maky325** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:48 pm

Yep. That is the board i am looking for. But i wont have it for two or three weeks.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:10 pm

no problem with supermicro in my mind....

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:16 pm

That is the Bad Axe.

There is a hardware tweak that rocks from what I have read. It's a small copper wire that goes from one jumper to the other via a small solder job.

I always wanted to get that board.

Enjoy.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/sho ... ight=975bx

maky325 · Post by **maky325** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:19 pm

My result and final word you can read in Masterverb thread here:

http://www.planetz.com/phpBB2/viewtopic ... 815#197815

My search is ended and i am leaving this thread. Thanks to all

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:46 pm

stardust wrote:You might be right for the 15. Sorry for the umprecise report. Alfonso reported 14 and the 15 not working on a gigabyte P35.

So I restate what I wanted to express.

Everything beyond 14 MV would be interesting.

Not a gigabvte but an abit IP35Pro, with two type II and one type I cards.

I must say that my old Asus Tusl2c with the same cards w s a little better in MV test:: I reached 15 instead of 14 and I had to optimize the load (error messages bthat you turn off with "ok" and the MV is re-loaded ok) after the 11th, while now is after the 8th.
I havent tested yet without the Pulsar 1, but I'm more than satisfied with this performance, I prefer to avoid to mess too much with my work machine.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:31 pm

Have you played around w/ the Guru settings at all?

I know it's a work box, but was curious if you looked into those little tweaks at all.

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:42 pm

scope4live wrote:Have you played around w/ the Guru settings at all?

I know it's a work box, but was curious if you looked into those little tweaks at all.

Not yet.....considering that my use of VST plugs is ...none , I didn't feel that need. I prefer to run it cool.