Greetings from India
Happy new year 2007
Hi all,
and Happy new year 2007 !
I wish to all of you, ie, planetz crew, users, creamware, all developpers and sdk users, a great year 2007, and especially, but not limited to, great successes, happy times with the ones you love, and also peace in the world, prosperity and serenity.
All my wishes of success to the new InDsp venture.
and Peace and love to the world (peace alone would be enough...
) !
and Happy new year 2007 !
I wish to all of you, ie, planetz crew, users, creamware, all developpers and sdk users, a great year 2007, and especially, but not limited to, great successes, happy times with the ones you love, and also peace in the world, prosperity and serenity.
All my wishes of success to the new InDsp venture.
and Peace and love to the world (peace alone would be enough...
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Sammy Spider
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Happy new year to all of you!
Wow - these are impressive news, really! But most interesting is what Frank said here: "inDSP is independent from CreamWare and not affected by the current procedure..."
Seems that Creamware went bust twice now??? Or what does he mean there??? Does anybody have more information? Please tell...
I was sure that Frank was not involved any longer in Creamware since the last crash of them two years before - he was not allowed to I would say. So I can imagine why Frank had to go to India of course.
But what kind of deals going on there? Again, seems that Creamware owns money to some people which they cannot pay. It's actually a sad story. But it feels too bad to me. What a simple and dirty solution - just go bust and found another company. That's shocking!! Let's see what will happen with "Creamware 3" or with "inDSP" or whatever. Well, if the indian company crashes and Frank has to leave India, he will be first man on Mars
After the last crash two years before I wished them good luck but now this happens again!?!? I think there must be some people now are really upset if they don't see their money or loose their jobs.
So - I'm wondering where are the good news, folks!! This is a sad story and no reason to congratulate Frank!
Somehow I'm very sad and discouraged and I'm wondering if this is more a gangster story!
Whatever...
Wow - these are impressive news, really! But most interesting is what Frank said here: "inDSP is independent from CreamWare and not affected by the current procedure..."
Seems that Creamware went bust twice now??? Or what does he mean there??? Does anybody have more information? Please tell...
I was sure that Frank was not involved any longer in Creamware since the last crash of them two years before - he was not allowed to I would say. So I can imagine why Frank had to go to India of course.
But what kind of deals going on there? Again, seems that Creamware owns money to some people which they cannot pay. It's actually a sad story. But it feels too bad to me. What a simple and dirty solution - just go bust and found another company. That's shocking!! Let's see what will happen with "Creamware 3" or with "inDSP" or whatever. Well, if the indian company crashes and Frank has to leave India, he will be first man on Mars
After the last crash two years before I wished them good luck but now this happens again!?!? I think there must be some people now are really upset if they don't see their money or loose their jobs.
So - I'm wondering where are the good news, folks!! This is a sad story and no reason to congratulate Frank!
Somehow I'm very sad and discouraged and I'm wondering if this is more a gangster story!
Whatever...
yeah, of course it looks like that ... and I couldn't resist an ironic remark in another thread, but imho that's just the cover of the book you're reviewing
I agree that it's kind of sad, strictly looking at it from the 'german' perspective, but that's how it goes...
other countries are more competive, have more loyal and motivated employees, economic conditions (less bureaucracy) are better etc.
It's the price this country and it's education system pays for arrogance and lazyness.
Are you informed about the conditions demanded by candidates after they finished their diploma, usually totally unexperienced to real-world business ?
You introduce someone to a project and when he or she sought up enough of the respective company's 'essence' they will quit and start their own business.
In the meantime paid holidays galore, extra social security, 'leisure friendly' schedules etc.
Frank has one single asset, and that's the knowledge and experience about the mechanics behind this DSP system (and how to possibly extend it to other platforms) - a project like inDSP is simply impossible under German conditions - you're either super-effective (in technology) or the music plays elsewhere, so to say...
cheers, Tom
(ps: I perfectly accept your point of view, though)
I agree that it's kind of sad, strictly looking at it from the 'german' perspective, but that's how it goes...
other countries are more competive, have more loyal and motivated employees, economic conditions (less bureaucracy) are better etc.
It's the price this country and it's education system pays for arrogance and lazyness.
Are you informed about the conditions demanded by candidates after they finished their diploma, usually totally unexperienced to real-world business ?
You introduce someone to a project and when he or she sought up enough of the respective company's 'essence' they will quit and start their own business.
In the meantime paid holidays galore, extra social security, 'leisure friendly' schedules etc.
Frank has one single asset, and that's the knowledge and experience about the mechanics behind this DSP system (and how to possibly extend it to other platforms) - a project like inDSP is simply impossible under German conditions - you're either super-effective (in technology) or the music plays elsewhere, so to say...
cheers, Tom
(ps: I perfectly accept your point of view, though)
no bitter feelings, maybe a bit cynical...stardust wrote:Hehe Tom. So bitter feelings ?
Globalization has victims. On both sides. The wealthy and the poor part...
I know it's a thin edge - and even India IS already changing, so it's not about neo-colonialism anymore...
but honestly - I left school about 30 years ago (it drove me nuts btw...)
When I talk to the young guys 'n gals at sport today, it seems that few has changed - and that's as shocking, as it's an explanation ...
cheers, Tom
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Sammy Spider
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Business is hard of course - we all know. And not easy in Germany I guess and I agree. Going to India sounds to be an interesting idea but hopefully not all technologie is coming from outside in future - outherwise I will loose my job here in Germany
Yes, you are right, we do not know much about the insolvency two years ago. I bought some cheap Creamware things two years ago and after that I noticed that they went to insolvency. Never mind - I have Scope still in use sometimes, although I mean that it's really time for a new hardware and some important bug fixes and new features. But... nothing new, and I'm no longer waiting. I just saw this announcement from Frank and I decided to make a cut now. This announcement from Frank makes me a bit upset and sad because I'm sure now that there will come nothing new in time wich is any interesting for me.
And again: it looks like some diffuse deals and only some promises - it feels not to be fair to crash a company twice and then go to India somehow. And even if it may be difficult to have a company in Germany, it is never fault of the government if a company go bust. And we are not lazy in Geramany - sorry.
Yes, you are right, we do not know much about the insolvency two years ago. I bought some cheap Creamware things two years ago and after that I noticed that they went to insolvency. Never mind - I have Scope still in use sometimes, although I mean that it's really time for a new hardware and some important bug fixes and new features. But... nothing new, and I'm no longer waiting. I just saw this announcement from Frank and I decided to make a cut now. This announcement from Frank makes me a bit upset and sad because I'm sure now that there will come nothing new in time wich is any interesting for me.
And again: it looks like some diffuse deals and only some promises - it feels not to be fair to crash a company twice and then go to India somehow. And even if it may be difficult to have a company in Germany, it is never fault of the government if a company go bust. And we are not lazy in Geramany - sorry.
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Sammy Spider
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I meant "Geranium"... no "Germany" - thanks, now I know again where I am. Many good businesses here will suffer when the democrats take office in 2008, they love to tax the middle class, as the rich have ample time to find tax shelters when they come in. It's a joke, but the good side is Bush will be gone, amd maybe you guys can forgive us 4 unleashing him on the Middle East, and the rest of the world.
From what I understand, Europe is pretty much socialist these days, and it has to be hard to compete with companies like we have here in the states and in Japan. But your time is coming in 2008, and inDSP will be in the right place at the right time IMHO. It is not time yet, 4 the body of Ralf, and I am being overly paranoid by saying this, but I feel that many neopyhte sabotuers will be frequenting here very soon. But like I said, I shall dwell in the house of Ralf, till the cows come home.
Strength And Honor,
From what I understand, Europe is pretty much socialist these days, and it has to be hard to compete with companies like we have here in the states and in Japan. But your time is coming in 2008, and inDSP will be in the right place at the right time IMHO. It is not time yet, 4 the body of Ralf, and I am being overly paranoid by saying this, but I feel that many neopyhte sabotuers will be frequenting here very soon. But like I said, I shall dwell in the house of Ralf, till the cows come home.
Strength And Honor,
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paulrmartin
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it is if you start to avoid a 2nd sleepless night, while you could easily go on for 3 when you were youngerstardust wrote:Tom - getting old and wise is not an obstacle in principle.
an occasional lack of money may be inconvenient, the constantly growing lack of time is frightening
I have an IT design, planning and support job (self-employed as I just learned below...) - at least 2 programming projects constantly, 3 guitars, 2 basses, a midi sax and a Scope system, I do outdoor sports like biking and rock-climbing and I love my wife (how does she stand me, btw ?)
Insomnia, Tom
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Maybe they've never been self-employed, so lack understanding of business realities.....and the personal qualities required to survive.paulrmartin wrote:Why is it that there are so many people here who are ready to throw in the towel so quickly..?
Maybe others are too busy using their gear.......working...
Setting up in India looks like a brilliant idea. How Frank managed to keep that off Planet Z is a small miracle. Oh yes........ most people would have given up after going through what CW Frank has been through. To me, he seems to be adjusting, learning, and getting stronger and smarter....... and that's why I believe in him .... and whatever form Creamware and Scope may survive and grow in.
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hubird
There were a (very) few hints by some usually well informed members, saying that there is not really reason for panic...(my words).emzee wrote:paulrmartin wrote:How Frank managed to keep that off Planet Z is a small miracle.
That combined with the immediate denial of my idea that the hardware might not have sold enough made me decide to just wait.
I just hoped that Creamware would do an announcement before the holidays are over and the press takes over again.
And yes, F.H. was perfectly on time
My wordsemzee wrote: Oh yes........ most people would have given up after going through what CW Frank has been through. To me, he seems to be adjusting, learning, and getting stronger and smarter....... and that's why I believe in him .... and whatever form Creamware and Scope may survive and grow in.
There sure some 'dirty' economical tricks are going on here, but expectingly nothing unusual, if that makes sense.
At least things are seriously moving now, and indeed, if the drive behind it is F.H.'s love for the Scope platform then we could be worse off.
cheers.
hum, ... hard to talk about something we do not really know... we all know that running a company is very complex and none of us know exactly who has got the power and/or the money within creamware... As for the link between creamware and inDSP, that's the same mystery... So, i really think that we do not have enough clues or data to say "that's a good idea" or "that's unfair" or whatever....
What is sure :
- there have been many new products (ASB, Klangs, Dynatube, 3rd party...
- the marketing has been improved (even if not perfect) : the ASB are very good products and are DIFFERENT like scope software is different from the others...
- the hotline has become increasingly efficient (thank you Ralf !)
- annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd...., man, at least we can say there is a MOVE. That's the good news.
Jonathan
What is sure :
- there have been many new products (ASB, Klangs, Dynatube, 3rd party...
- the marketing has been improved (even if not perfect) : the ASB are very good products and are DIFFERENT like scope software is different from the others...
- the hotline has become increasingly efficient (thank you Ralf !)
- annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd...., man, at least we can say there is a MOVE. That's the good news.
Jonathan
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There are different Blackfins, some go up to 600 MHz:BingoTheClowno wrote:
So it looks like the Shark chip will be replaced with the Blackfin chip (a 400MHz chip compared to 60MHz).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackfin
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BingoTheClowno
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I'll take your 600MHz and raise you a 756MHzfrokka wrote:There are different Blackfins, some go up to 600 MHz:BingoTheClowno wrote:
So it looks like the Shark chip will be replaced with the Blackfin chip (a 400MHz chip compared to 60MHz).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackfin
http://www.analog.com/en/epProd/0,,ADSP-BF533,00.html