no comment.kylie wrote:still got a granny to sell?
DIGITAL AUDIOSOFT Plugins reviewed in AUDIO MEDIA - Nov 2006
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DAS got a mention in a big magazine. Good for them! Congratulations are certainly in order. I remember being excited when Orbitone's Synchrome was mentioned in Keyboard magazine after we sent them our press release. It's a higlight for a small company to get ANY kind of press.
So maybe DAS should have said "mentioned" instead of "reviewed" in their topic title. Who really cares? Huub, you really think they were purposely trying to trick you into something? Give the guys a break.
Astro and huub, you're holding onto some grudge from previous arguments, but you've already made your points a dozen times... Please if you can't be civil in public, then send pmsg's instead.
And DAS guys, please stop begging me to moderate away your problems. Don't take everything so personally.
Please everyone just behave like adults.
The bad vibes are not welcome here!
Thanks
-John
p.s. I'll stick the announcement back into this topic and delete the other one.
So maybe DAS should have said "mentioned" instead of "reviewed" in their topic title. Who really cares? Huub, you really think they were purposely trying to trick you into something? Give the guys a break.
Astro and huub, you're holding onto some grudge from previous arguments, but you've already made your points a dozen times... Please if you can't be civil in public, then send pmsg's instead.
And DAS guys, please stop begging me to moderate away your problems. Don't take everything so personally.
Please everyone just behave like adults.
The bad vibes are not welcome here!
Thanks
-John
p.s. I'll stick the announcement back into this topic and delete the other one.
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hubird
Ok John, allow me to spend a few words on it, tho I'm not looking for argueing with you 
It's also an explanation for those who seem to feel uncomfortable with my attitude (one or two pm's).
This thread by DAS shows again that they do not respect the independency of our community.
They 'claim' the thread, as if they have the right to screen posts in their good-news-show.
If a post doesn't appeal to them, they start a new identical thread, where of course I'm supposed not to post again in...and apparently ask the moderator to 'moderate' the previous thread...(imagine!)
And indeed, my main point all the time, hidden or in public, is the independency of Planetz as an internet forum community, and you -John Cooper- are the only one who has the last word, as you are hosting us.
That simple
However, this means (are you listening DAS? ) :
- we are allowed to comment plugs in a way we like to do.
- We are allowed to do tests with them and report the results in public.
- It may sound strange to you Eric, but we are allowed to comment negative.
- We are even allowed to comment negative by wrong arguements...
- We are allowed to do tests that are negative.
- And -listen carefully Eric- we are even allowed to do tests that are not done correctly...! You won't believe that, eh?
That's called independency, and if you, Eric, would be social-sensible to some degree, you would know 1000 ways to find your way in that construction.
Everyone knows that we as a community have an open mind regarding being corrected by the other party, we have a perfect respectfull relationship with any 3rd party develloper here on Planetz...almost 'every' that is.
If I would make a selection of quotes by DAS directed to MCCYRANO and others it would immediately make clear that they don't have any idea of how an internet forum actually works.
They think we hang at their lips, waiting for the next plugin.
They think Planetz is a place where you announce your plugs to sell.
The way they put MCCYRANO in a corner as scum is still unbelievable, he was a lier, an amateur, he knew nothing, he should leave it to the 'pro's'.
When, in the end, phase cancellation of the Poltek was proved for 5 bands up to -96 db, they had the guts to talk about the colour of the sound that Martin didn't understand...insulting the whole community in it's intelligence and knowledge.
Of course I tend to answer yes on the question 'Huub, you really think they were purposely trying to trick you into something?', that's the level they are acting at here.
(I still feel really angry about DAS's attitude against MCCYRANO, as the MOVEQ is sounding that good and is that well designed that it could be part of Creamware's shop, priced at €200,-).
What should new members think of the relationship between a 3rd party develloper like DAS on the one hand and Planetz as an independent internet community on the other, when reading the way DAS acts on Planetz??
They don't know the (hi)story, our tolerance could be interpreted wrongly.
In that situation I prefer being named agressive and intolerant, as the opposite, silent and following, is worse!
I would immediately have stopped any bashing against DAS in the past if they would have done two things:
1. - admit that they don't have even the least notion on how to operate on a free internet forum, and therefor should take someone to act as a representative on Planetz, to communicate between DAS and Planetz (not that clown Wired, maybe the unknown Seb?) (an advice also often mentioned by others).
2. - admit that MCCYRANO did a perfect test, scientificly done, democraticly performed by offering the test files on Planetz (!).
I never said any negative word about the DAS's plugins, even not about the Poltek (how could I, the stock eq's are even used by Fairlight).
The phase cancellation test however was deadly clear, and the change in the promo-text of the Poltek on the Creamware site shows that Martin -after all- got right (although he -as a gentleman- never chased for that qualification).
I just made a protest against DAS's attitude and communication style, and against the way they put MCCYRANO in the corner as a liar!
I should have been a bad member of the community if I should NOT have protested against that, period.
cheers, hubert
It's also an explanation for those who seem to feel uncomfortable with my attitude
(one or two pm's).This thread by DAS shows again that they do not respect the independency of our community.
They 'claim' the thread, as if they have the right to screen posts in their good-news-show.
If a post doesn't appeal to them, they start a new identical thread, where of course I'm supposed not to post again in...and apparently ask the moderator to 'moderate' the previous thread...(imagine!)
And indeed, my main point all the time, hidden or in public, is the independency of Planetz as an internet forum community, and you -John Cooper- are the only one who has the last word, as you are hosting us.
That simple
However, this means (are you listening DAS?
) :- we are allowed to comment plugs in a way we like to do.
- We are allowed to do tests with them and report the results in public.
- It may sound strange to you Eric, but we are allowed to comment negative.
- We are even allowed to comment negative by wrong arguements...
- We are allowed to do tests that are negative.
- And -listen carefully Eric- we are even allowed to do tests that are not done correctly...! You won't believe that, eh?
That's called independency, and if you, Eric, would be social-sensible to some degree, you would know 1000 ways to find your way in that construction.
Everyone knows that we as a community have an open mind regarding being corrected by the other party, we have a perfect respectfull relationship with any 3rd party develloper here on Planetz...almost 'every' that is.
If I would make a selection of quotes by DAS directed to MCCYRANO and others it would immediately make clear that they don't have any idea of how an internet forum actually works.
They think we hang at their lips, waiting for the next plugin.
They think Planetz is a place where you announce your plugs to sell.
The way they put MCCYRANO in a corner as scum is still unbelievable, he was a lier, an amateur, he knew nothing, he should leave it to the 'pro's'.
When, in the end, phase cancellation of the Poltek was proved for 5 bands up to -96 db, they had the guts to talk about the colour of the sound that Martin didn't understand...insulting the whole community in it's intelligence and knowledge.
Of course I tend to answer yes on the question 'Huub, you really think they were purposely trying to trick you into something?', that's the level they are acting at here.
(I still feel really angry about DAS's attitude against MCCYRANO, as the MOVEQ is sounding that good and is that well designed that it could be part of Creamware's shop, priced at €200,-).
What should new members think of the relationship between a 3rd party develloper like DAS on the one hand and Planetz as an independent internet community on the other, when reading the way DAS acts on Planetz??
They don't know the (hi)story, our tolerance could be interpreted wrongly.
In that situation I prefer being named agressive and intolerant, as the opposite, silent and following, is worse!
I would immediately have stopped any bashing against DAS in the past if they would have done two things:
1. - admit that they don't have even the least notion on how to operate on a free internet forum, and therefor should take someone to act as a representative on Planetz, to communicate between DAS and Planetz (not that clown Wired, maybe the unknown Seb?) (an advice also often mentioned by others).
2. - admit that MCCYRANO did a perfect test, scientificly done, democraticly performed by offering the test files on Planetz (!).
I never said any negative word about the DAS's plugins, even not about the Poltek (how could I, the stock eq's are even used by Fairlight).
The phase cancellation test however was deadly clear, and the change in the promo-text of the Poltek on the Creamware site shows that Martin -after all- got right (although he -as a gentleman- never chased for that qualification).
I just made a protest against DAS's attitude and communication style, and against the way they put MCCYRANO in the corner as a liar!
I should have been a bad member of the community if I should NOT have protested against that, period.
cheers, hubert
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wel hubird you must understand that it is also kind of frustrating when this shit is brought up on every thread DAS guys ever make? Both for them and for everybody who reads the threads afterwards, out of pure interest?
nobody goes around here reminding everybody new about every stupid thing you did, do they? especially when it comes to your so-called independency?
can we just leave it be and get on with it!
peolpe still digs Joe Meeks work.
nobody goes around here reminding everybody new about every stupid thing you did, do they? especially when it comes to your so-called independency?
can we just leave it be and get on with it!
peolpe still digs Joe Meeks work.
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hey hubert,
why spending so much time writting these stupid arguments about DAS ? nothing else to ,do ? is it your final goal in life ?
you will be honored for that , for sure.
cheers olive
why spending so much time writting these stupid arguments about DAS ? nothing else to ,do ? is it your final goal in life ?
don't worry, you are a good (the best) member here on PZ !!!I should have been a bad member of the community if I should NOT have protested against that,
you will be honored for that , for sure.cheers olive
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Well put Huub. You mention Mccyrano, but they acted like jerks with MANY members of the community, and never showed the slightest sign of sensitiveness regarding the impact of their comments and attitudes. As I said earlier, no big deal of loosing your temper once in a while, IF you look back upon your behaviour and have the decency to admit that you lost it and present an apology. I forgive them, personally, but that doesn't change the need for them to clean the mess they brought upon themselves, which they never did nor show any intention of doing any time soon.
Sorry if we seem to be beating a dead horse, but I feel it would be unrespectful toward myself as well as this community to shut up and pretent that everything is alright. This is no vendetta, this is straight thinking and responsibility. Their behaviour was disrespectful from the start and their lack of desire to set things straight is unrespectful still. At least Eric seems to have retired from the debates, which is an improvement (no offense intended, but the guy's out of control), but things don't just settle without decisive action to rectify what's out of balance.
DAS, show you have a heart, leave your egos behind and present the heartfelt apology that you should have given long ago to those you wronged and the whole community. This way YOU clean your part of the mess and we can move along as one happy family. Otherwise where are you going? It's up to you, I hope you choose love and friendship over war and struggle! I really wish you all the best!
É
Sorry if we seem to be beating a dead horse, but I feel it would be unrespectful toward myself as well as this community to shut up and pretent that everything is alright. This is no vendetta, this is straight thinking and responsibility. Their behaviour was disrespectful from the start and their lack of desire to set things straight is unrespectful still. At least Eric seems to have retired from the debates, which is an improvement (no offense intended, but the guy's out of control), but things don't just settle without decisive action to rectify what's out of balance.
DAS, show you have a heart, leave your egos behind and present the heartfelt apology that you should have given long ago to those you wronged and the whole community. This way YOU clean your part of the mess and we can move along as one happy family. Otherwise where are you going? It's up to you, I hope you choose love and friendship over war and struggle! I really wish you all the best!
É
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hubird
If I may cut in,
In my communications with DAS during the developemental stages of the DAS Modular Mixer, I frequently had misunderstandings with their English. I think this is another similar situation, and a very minor one at that.
I have read those nasty threads and see both sides of the coin, so to me it is water under the bridge. I got into a similar thread, which I am sure you remember where I became overemotional myself. But Shroomz is too valuable of a forum member for me to hold a grudge, or even dwell on that breif disagreement again. But if I wanted to piss him off really fast, I know the topic to start. But I value you guys too much to waste our valuable time with negativity. The same respect should be shown to DAS IMO. I have witnessed Eric's short fuse more than once, and actually find his insults amusing at times. They are a valuable team, and I will continue to work with them regardless. Eric could use a couple of sensitivity classes, but I work with artists, dancers, and musicians 24/7, and they respond to criticism of their ideas the same way at times. It is as they say " Show Bizz ". They really need to do business here, so some mending might be nescessary. I just wish you could see the and hear that incredible mixer. I have confidence in their work, and plan on buying their Mega bundle too.
So if you could cut them a little slack for their " French ", we could only benefit from their talents. I know Olive is a hardworking developer w/ valuable experience using SFP live, so he could basically insult everyone here, and as long as his contributions to our platform continue, I could let it slide. Besides, I think developers for SFP do it for the love of music, not money. Let's face it, very few SFP guys at the Z make many purchases after they buy the cards. There is no big market as the product sold is so complete. Only some of us make purchases, and not enough to make a living off of.
Nothin' But Love My Brothas',
JV
In my communications with DAS during the developemental stages of the DAS Modular Mixer, I frequently had misunderstandings with their English. I think this is another similar situation, and a very minor one at that.
I have read those nasty threads and see both sides of the coin, so to me it is water under the bridge. I got into a similar thread, which I am sure you remember where I became overemotional myself. But Shroomz is too valuable of a forum member for me to hold a grudge, or even dwell on that breif disagreement again. But if I wanted to piss him off really fast, I know the topic to start. But I value you guys too much to waste our valuable time with negativity. The same respect should be shown to DAS IMO. I have witnessed Eric's short fuse more than once, and actually find his insults amusing at times. They are a valuable team, and I will continue to work with them regardless. Eric could use a couple of sensitivity classes, but I work with artists, dancers, and musicians 24/7, and they respond to criticism of their ideas the same way at times. It is as they say " Show Bizz ". They really need to do business here, so some mending might be nescessary. I just wish you could see the and hear that incredible mixer. I have confidence in their work, and plan on buying their Mega bundle too.
So if you could cut them a little slack for their " French ", we could only benefit from their talents. I know Olive is a hardworking developer w/ valuable experience using SFP live, so he could basically insult everyone here, and as long as his contributions to our platform continue, I could let it slide. Besides, I think developers for SFP do it for the love of music, not money. Let's face it, very few SFP guys at the Z make many purchases after they buy the cards. There is no big market as the product sold is so complete. Only some of us make purchases, and not enough to make a living off of.
Nothin' But Love My Brothas',
JV
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I think that's the mistake. There are a lot of people here, including many people such as myself who didn't and wouldn't read every thread that lead up to this, who find it more [dis]respectful to the community that it continues. I don't know them, I don't know you - but I do know what's annoying and childish.eliam wrote: Sorry if we seem to be beating a dead horse, but I feel it would be unrespectful toward myself as well as this community to shut up and pretent that everything is alright.
Make music.
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hubird
ayayay...you would sell your mother, not?scope4live wrote: I know Olive is a hardworking developer w/ valuable experience using SFP live, so he could basically insult everyone here, and as long as his contributions to our platform continue, I could let it slide.
Don't forget too fast about that other hardworking develloper, called MCCYRANO, who is called a liar and a swindler...(the one who really is doing it for fun and not for mony btw...)
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hubird
As I told you, I feel the need of emphasizing the independent character of Planetz, which is an immaterial good.sonolive wrote:hey hubert, why spending so much time writting these stupid arguments about DAS ? nothing else to ,do ? is it your final goal in life ?
Keep in mind that your first goal here is not trying to 'win' the game by so-called tough posts against me, but selling plugs...
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hubird
dont worry about my self destruction !!! i can easily manage it (cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, fucking ...)hubird wrote: you're acting selfdestructive, it's my fun you know
i know it's your fun and that why i think you've got great psychiatric problems !!!
you seem really Mc cyrano dependant , btwI feel the need of emphasizing the independent character of Planetz,
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