DIGITAL AUDIOSOFT : Brand New Mixer - DAS MODULAR MIXER

djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:23 am

i did something of similar by using the scope routing, but for sure this is very useful for who don't have time to waste with virtual cables....

digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:48 am

Wired wrote:has anyone got a pair of vumeters that work on the old +3 instead of peak, there was once one pair posted, but its not 4.0 or 4.5

http://www.planetz.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20680

eric

sonolive · Post by **sonolive** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:50 am

8 push buttons + encoders Assignement

sonolive · Post by **sonolive** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:37 am

djmicron wrote:i did something of similar by using the scope routing,

for sure DJM, that's why we all (or almost) use creamware scope fusion platform !!!

but ...

djmicron wrote:but for sure this is very useful for who don't have time to waste with virtual cables....

and a "compact" "centralised GUI and easy "hardaware like" to use functions ... not only a waste of time problem !!!

cheers
olive

ds-sound · Post by **ds-sound** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:13 am

Ok, sweet. Now I see the device in its context.
Good luck! I intend to start performing live myself, so this device may truly be useful .
I just hope the scope platform itself will be stable and reliable enough to rely on...

bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:27 am

looks good ! As for mixers i would just suggest something (i don't perfom live): a better GUI that allows you to view the EQ section at the bottom of the fader (like for nuendo). I mean, that would be cool to see a real strip ; fader for volume + EQ section above (eg : one of the DAS Eq). Why? Because, when it comes to software EQS it is quite boring (except if you have 4 screens

) to dispaly EQs and SEE what is the appropriate channel. I just think that a REAL strip with excellent integrated EQs would be really appreciated by many of us. That would avoid clicking again and again to display the EQs of one channel, reopen another for the other channel... In nuendo you just have to decide to diplay (or not) the EQs section ABOVE the right channel.... Hope it helps.

Jo

digitalaudiosoft · Post by **digitalaudiosoft** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:06 am

bill3107 wrote:looks good ! As for mixers i would just suggest something (i don't perfom live): a better GUI that allows you to view the EQ section at the bottom of the fader (like for nuendo). I mean, that would be cool to see a real strip ; fader for volume + EQ section above (eg : one of the DAS Eq). Why? Because, when it comes to software EQS it is quite boring (except if you have 4 screens ) to dispaly EQs and SEE what is the appropriate channel. I just think that a REAL strip with excellent integrated EQs would be really appreciated by many of us. That would avoid clicking again and again to display the EQs of one channel, reopen another for the other channel... In nuendo you just have to decide to diplay (or not) the EQs section ABOVE the right channel.... Hope it helps.

Jo

hi jo,

we are working on a 24 mono + 4 stereo based on this "scope4live edition" with sl9000eq inside.

eric

bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:00 am

damn... exactly what i have mentionned... great news ! My 16/9 screen is full and i would really appreciate a new mixer gathering good EQs section+mixer in a channel strip orientation.... Wait and see....

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:47 pm

Back in the 1985 NAMM show I fell in love with the Yamaha DMP-7 motorized fader mixer / Lexicon PCM70 combination. I loved the idea of a hardware console which was rack mounted for my keyboards. It used multiple page buttons also. I also sold the same combination to Herbie Hancock when I was engineering at Starsound Audio in northern Nevada. It was a keyboard players dream as opposed to a large mixer which could not be racked up.

This mixer will just allow me to use a smaller stage crew where the lights and audio will be automated i.e. vocal FX, stored scenes 4 lighting, etc. The days of the briefcase soundman asking for big bucks and moving sliders only is coming to a close. My idea is to have a well paid one man crew, who will run a 1000 watt Super Trooper spot, and knowing singers will always want to tweak their levels, will also operate a BCR for small level adjustments. It has been my experience that if you pretend to change the singers level with a ghost fader, that is usually all that is needed, as they are a special breed of musician and have to be physchologically dealt with. So this mixer will be used with 4 Barbetta powered cabinets, and wireless monitoring with the in your ear solutions.

GaryB will be here in 2 days to install this, and Cubase 4 in case I choose to record the vocals as the choreography becomes more involved. Which will negate the need for level changes, and the UE's. The lead vocalist however will always have the ability to mute / unmute any pre recorded tracks, she is a very talented singer / dancer, the most important part of the show, and worthy of my investment. This mixer is basically designed with exceptional quality and bussing in mind, and will keep my production costs to a minimal amount. Hats off the the DAS guys for being pioneers in this project. This is the future of live performance IMHO.

Strength And Honor,

sonolive · Post by **sonolive** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:47 am

scope4live wrote:Hats off the the DAS guys for being pioneers in this project.

thx jimmy and for sure we can (and will) improve it with users feedback !

scope4live wrote:This is the future of live performance IMHO.

digital has already "took" the live market, but till now allways with hardware devices, dedicates and very specific .
CW cards offer us a chance to do several different things with the same computer ... (record, live, synths, mastering, video, lights ...) let's take this
chance ...

jimmy, we (all CWians have also to thx you for using these devices live ...
personally i use it for several years, and i know that once your DAW is well designed an configured there are no limit !!!

cheers,
olive

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:27 pm

Well the mixer has impressed GaryB. We have just begun testing it with the ancient Creamware A8 20 bit I / O box. My firends are going why use 20 bit when you can have 24 bit? Simple me thinks. This bit thing has no effect on me. I remember my Ensoniq Mirage was 8 bit, but the dirty synth and guitar samples smoked back then. The Lexicon Prime Time was 12 bit, and it still sounds great. So maybe it's just the mixer huh? Well we will try the Behringer ADA8000 with an ancient Crane Song mic pre and do more testing. But as it stands, this mixer is gonna make me some major cash. No more crew scamming on my hoes, that saves major cash right there. All kidding aside, I now know why Creamware has DAS on their site, and have one great sounding, and functioning PA in my DAW. We shall record and playback audio tracks from Cubase 4 tomorrow.
No offense Ollie and Eric, but I hope nobody else buys this, at least in the states. I do not want them to sound as good as my band will.
Thanks also to Shroomz, and Sharc who are responsible for me being able to see this sucker under all those hot ass PAR lamps on stage.

Congrats On A Superb Product, This Dog Will Hunt,

kylie · Post by **kylie** » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:57 am

digitalaudiosoft wrote: we are working on a 24 mono + 4 stereo based on this "scope4live edition" with sl9000eq inside.

.oO( I hope they are not too greedy...24 mono channels ...

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:09 am

As someone who's been meticulously futzing with routing between the 16channel SFP mixers, Aux Racks, etc. and trying to work around the glut of automatable parameters in the SFP Mixers, do you (either olive or scope4live) have a strategy for how to manage the midi channels for automation? I see things like Kore and I weep. So easy, so compact, but not Scope compatible ...yet!

I would love to get some input on how the midi channels might be banked per mixing unit.

Thanks in advance,
Sam

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:18 pm

We have been demo'ing the unit for a couple of days to get it ready for stage, but I will be using the controllers on one of my M Audio KS88's. The A controllers will be the transports for Cubase 4, the B controllers were designed to be used with the DAS Modular Mixer, and the C controllers are MIDI'd to the Merlin lighting console, as they were the only faders on the controller, 9 of them. Does that help at all ?

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:39 pm

Seeing as how I use a KS88 as my controller, I'd say it helps quite a bit!!! Thanks.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:15 pm

Don't know if you like B3 drawbar playing, but I love to play the B2003 w/ the KS88 and a Motion Sound Pro 3t. I had 4 of the 9 drawbars attached to one drawbar on my MC3000 but need Wolf's mega bundle to really make the KS88 do amazing things like use a Yamaha FC7 and actually have it swell very precisely while moving 1 slider 4 drawbars, while slowing the rotary cabinet from fast to slow. That is the sound that just makes the B3, the B3.
I play Emerson songs on piano and organ all the time for he is still my favorite, but his chops are the kind. If you can cop his licks, all these one handed cheesy jazz tunes that are out are simply a breeze.
Hope you enjoy the KS88. Feel free to PM me anytime to swap ideas, as I am still learning daily, and wouldn,t want it any other way.

dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:30 pm

what is it about Wolf's bundle that makes the KS88 sweet? I'll go look at the plugs, but reading how you use them would be useful to me and perhaps others.

Sam

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:31 pm

I haven't got it yet. But a trained professional with SFP here told me of the MIDI Tool Box that Wolf has made that will tame the attached pedals for expression and volume. All other controllers are snappy and accurate, it's just the attached pedals that sucks serious ass. I use to use CV Gate pedals for volume back in the analog days, and they were extremely accurate. I really hate moving a pedal ever so slowly just to watch the volume digits jump from 000 to 94 with out any dynamics. You can also assign 6 drawbars from the B2003 to one slider on the KS88, or the expression pedal, neat little tricks like that. I must have 2 feet working, and two hands playing to pull off this shit live. So I anxiously look forward to getting the Wolf Mega Bundle. I'm sure I could probably get group faders and shit like that on my DAS Modular mixer too. I shall post all sucsess / failures here in respect to that. So far the DAS mixer is perfect. Great sound, no phase cancellations, or channel crosstalk what so ever.
To make it even sweeter, I only had a small change from the original design that I wanted. The red faders and pots are appropriately colored, but I asked DAS if I could change the red colors to neon yellow, as the LCD which has the GUI on it is always bathed in 1000 watt PAR lamps. The DAS guys said no problem. Now that's what I call custom work. These guys are very good at what they do, and are touchy at times, but with the quality of work they do it seems appropriate to me.
This Scope world has totally engulfed me. I emulate truckloads of equipment in one large rack of gear now.

Cubase 4 / GVI / DAS modular / then Flexor II. Geez I am fucked for a long time.

sonolive · Post by **sonolive** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:56 am

scope4live wrote:So far the DAS mixer is perfect. Great sound, no phase cancellations, or channel crosstalk what so ever.

thanks jimmy

i have spent lots of time optimising these points of sonic signal flow !!!
i tried to eliminate all the problems that i encounterd in creamware mixers !!!
in fact, the way i developped it, you can't have any phase issues or channel crosstalks !!! impossible !
but ... in another way, the mixer is more greedy than cw's ones !!!

i have to mention that i really thank ralf dressel from CWaudio for his help and support, he is a "killer" , they (at cw) are top of the top people.

scope4live wrote: These guys are very good at what they do, and are touchy at times, but with the quality of work they do it seems appropriate to me.

other thing i wanted to mention, i am very disapointed (and a bit angry) about the latest post "against " DAS these days !!! i really can not undestand some pzians ! so much time spent posting their "bla bla" !!! they are not constructive !
that's what i regret ! if only these post could help us (or other developpers) ...

there is something absolutely incredible : all the people that post these attacks against eric don not even have our plugs and i'm quite sure didn't even tested the demos !!!

in another way it's quite normel : how can you "work" or play music while posting more than 3or4 post a day (average)
hey guys , this is a forum for music , musicians and technicians, try and just spend time for this, much more better than blabla !

btw we (at das) are going on developping ... for our customers that seem to enjoy our works, and REALLY use our plugs instead of just "blablaing" !

thx again jimmy, we will soon make the changes of the GUI , i'm sure you'll soon be very happy of them for your live appz !

cheers,
olive

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:36 am

sonolive wrote: other thing i wanted to mention, i am very disapointed (and a bit angry) about the latest post "against " DAS these days !!! i really can not undestand some pzians ! so much time spent posting their "bla bla" !!! they are not constructive !
that's what i regret ! if only these post could help us (or other developpers) ...

there is something absolutely incredible : all the people that post these attacks against eric don not even have our plugs and i'm quite sure didn't even tested the demos !!!

I'm sure you realise that this whole issue was started (and is continually being fueled by) the agressive, confrontational and often downright insulting attitude of a certain DAS member...
Don't wanna put oil on the fire here, but please don't make the mistake of pointing the finger without first evaluating your own part in the whole mess. Mistakes were made on both sides, playing the victim who hasn't done anything wrong isn't gonna help anyone.

that being said, I wish you all the best of success with your plugins!

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