P4 FREEZES-P4C800e-DLX

Post by **garyb** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 6:56 pm

ide or sata drives are plenty fast, i assure you.

[ This Message was edited by: garyb on 2004-08-11 19:58 ]

darkstar · Post by **darkstar** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 7:10 pm

Hey,is there any "new" project to download from here,I have "basic cubase project",maybe it is outdated?I don't know much about sfp,so maybe I have wrong settings there...?
I have Luna 2

Post by **garyb** » Wed Aug 11, 2004 7:28 pm

don't be afraid to experiment. there is no best project. you may find some useful things playing around a bit...

darkstar · Post by **darkstar** » Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:44 pm

I don't know what to do...only I can is to sell all computer,and buy new....
today,I tried to play red alert 2,and I got FREEZES...so,maybe hard disk have some error on it,and I don't know where to read is there any bad sectors on it..i know to run scandisk,but there is no field where I can read does it have bad sectors..
I am really depressed

darkstar · Post by **darkstar** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 7:53 am

I tried something,probably stupid.I tried to enable MIDI on my integrated audio card,and to disable midi on LUNA...but it didn't work,system can't find devices for "other input"...
So,is there any new tips?
Hey AndreD,you are telling me that on your tests everything worked fine when ht is disabled?
Btw,when I tried to disable acpi apic support,computer won't boot up windows..

Thanks

[ This Message was edited by: darkstar on 2004-08-14 08:57 ]

pierre · Post by **pierre** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:58 am

Change the Display card with one Matrox
Cheers

bosone · Post by **bosone** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:35 pm

i must be lucky..
p4c800-e deluxe with P4 3GHz northwood (is it your a perscott?) and 2 GB of corsair ram
i have 3 CW boards (luna+pulsar1+pulsar 1SRB)and a soundblaster live!
i have installed standard PC and disabled all the unused onboard devices (com2, usb, firewire, lan). i run sfp4.5 with sonar 4 and i never got crashed while running sequencer.
i also used winXP lite (www.nliteos.com) to install a scaled down version of winXP (which occupies only 60MB of RAM without SFP).
if you'd like, i can check at home the slots in which i have installed my CW boards.

ARCADIOS · Post by **ARCADIOS** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:01 am

i had this motherboard in the past.
the real solution was to make a clean install.
and always use scopes midi filters.
not so necessary on standard pc, but on acpi it is a necessity.
put a filter on your boards midi source on scopes routing window.

psionic · Post by **psionic** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:18 pm

Creamware and ( newer ) ACPI PC don't like each other! If u want creamware card to work, u need to disable apic ACPI function. So, if you have more than 16 IRQs, you are affected. Try installing Standard PC, or disable ACPI APIC via BIOS ( you need to reinstall win after it ).
DON'T THROW MONEY on midi filters. IIT WON'T HELP.

All of this only if you use scope's midi seq dest, especially on LUNA 2.

Blame CREAMWARE for the DRIVERS !!!

p.s. to garyb. Only my card is broken ?!
p.s.s. read forums more often

psionic · Post by **psionic** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:34 pm

[quote]
On 2004-08-11 20:10, darkstar wrote:
Hey,is there any "new" project to download from here,I have "basic cubase project",maybe it is outdated?I don't know much about sfp,so maybe I have wrong settings there...?
I have Luna 2

Prijatelju, baci govno u kantu i kupi si neku M-Audio DELTU

Veruj mi da ce ti raditi super... Sto se tice projekata, nemoj da ubacujes midi seq dest modul, pogotovo ako imas p4 sa 865 / 875. Kartica je mozda bila dobra pre 5-6 godina u doba P2, zbog svojih procesora, ali je sada zastarela a drajveri se nisu mrdnuli jos od 2001 godine. Stoga - prodaj govno i kupi nesto modernije

Uzdravlje - zajebana musterija

p.s. Ne bacaj pare na razne MATROXe i slicna govna... Sranje radi tako kako radi dok slepci od jebenih nemaca ne naprave jebene novije drajvere. Znaci, veruj mi, ustedeces gomilu poara i nerviranja. Pozdrav

[ This Message was edited by: psionic on 2006-04-02 18:38 ]

valis · Post by **valis** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:58 pm

On 2006-04-02 17:18, psionic wrote:
Creamware and ( newer ) ACPI PC don't like each other! If u want creamware card to work, u need to disable apic ACPI function. So, if you have more than 16 IRQs, you are affected. Try installing Standard PC, or disable ACPI APIC via BIOS ( you need to reinstall win after it ).
DON'T THROW MONEY on midi filters. IIT WON'T HELP.

All of this only if you use scope's midi seq dest, especially on LUNA 2.

Blame CREAMWARE for the DRIVERS !!!

p.s. to garyb. Only my card is broken ?!
p.s.s. read forums more often

This isn't necessarily true. Creamware dsp cards (and ***other dsp cards from other manufacturers***) have ALWAYS been sensitive to chipset bugs and flaws, and if you choose to really go full force with a Scope box you have to invest the time and energy into insuring your system is compatible and properly setup. This may mean that you find a motherboard or chipset maker that doesn't work well with a Creamware card. Unfortunately true, but this does NOT mean that Creamware cards are incompatible with EVERY new motherboard on the market. The EASIEST solution these days is typically to disable ACPI and avoid other new features, but many times these problems can be solved in other ways as well, without losing the functionality that is provided by ACPI & HT.

There *IS* a known bug with Active Sensing and Hyperthreading and Scope. Midi filters will solve this just as well as removing Hyperthreading support from the OS.

There are ALSO occasionally problems with IRQ sharing, especially with certain chipsets out there. This can be solved by manually mapping out your IRQ sharing and putting the card into a slot that isn't shared. If your motherboard maker isn't kind enough to provide slot sharing info, you can use various tools out there (boot to a DOS disk, a linux CD distro etc) to do so. Perhaps it seems confusing & annoying, but IRQ's have been with PC's since day1 and learning this will improve your system stability. It also only needs to be done ONCE and your system will work properly.

If you CHOOSE to disable ACPI so that HT isn't enabled or to make mapping your IRQ sharing as easy as rebooting windows multiple times and checking device manager (versus the DOS disk boot method with whatever command line tool you choose to employ) then that is YOUR choice. It is also the EASIEST thing for Creamware to recommend, they cannot spend 4 hours walking every person completely through configuration of every system out there.

If learning to work out the kinks in your system is too much for you too handle, and using M-audio or a cheap Audigy solution suits you better, so be it. However M-audio has compatibility issues believe it or not, and Creative Labs cards had ACPI issues for several years with MANY motherboards out there. Oh yea, we also waited SEVEN years for them to properly implement SMP support for their soundcards under winNT and win2000. This is a company that is several magnitudes larger than Creamware.

Let's be clear about the issues here and reduce the spam a bit.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:10 am

yep.
many new motherboards are fine. many new motherboards cause problems with lots of cards(read rme and m-audio forums). this is not a driver issue for the umpteenth time. ALL my computers work reliably.

[ This Message was edited by: garyb on 2006-04-03 01:12 ]

psionic · Post by **psionic** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:14 am

I already tried a few mobos... and two Luna 2 cars. I do not have any more financial power to fight this problem...
I agree that SCOPE works fine on ACPI and HT disabled computers, but I want it to work as well with all the features enabled. Cubase, and lot of other soft knows how to use the extra features. I can't just disable everything. I will decrease performance a lot. don't want to do that...
As for other common problems - they are common to all the hardware, and I was not addressing them. You'll have to accept that I am enough tech skilled to overcome the common problems - irq sharing, bad - outdated drivers , broken electronics... This is no common problem.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:01 am

i use scope with acpi ALL the time. standard pc is only running on MY computers(yes, that's plural). my customer's machines are in acpi because it's easier. NO problems. period.

psionic · Post by **psionic** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:31 pm

On 2006-04-03 10:01, garyb wrote:
i use scope with acpi ALL the time. standard pc is only running on MY computers(yes, that's plural). my customer's machines are in acpi because it's easier. NO problems. period.

So, all the problems in this forum are user's fault ? C'mon, be racional. BTW - Don't you work for the Creamware? 5000 posts...?

...and here we are, running in circles...

I asked before if it is problem with older scope or LUNA 2 cards, and got an answer full of >> if you have the problem, that doesn't mean that card is badly constructed or drivers outdated << Ok, have it your way, I am gone...

[ This Message was edited by: psionic on 2006-04-03 17:37 ]

bronYaur · Post by **bronYaur** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:03 pm

try to update your Mb bios,i think is probabily Mb problems

[ This Message was edited by: bronYaur on 2006-04-03 18:05 ]

psionic · Post by **psionic** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:16 pm

Tried it on two mobos: Asus P4P800-X and Gainward GA8IPE1000-G, Two LUNA2 Cards - not interconnected, one wasn't mine. Everything updated.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:59 pm

On 2006-04-03 17:31, psionic wrote:

BTW - Don't you work for the Creamware? 5000 posts...?I asked before if it is problem with older scope or LUNA 2 cards

no i don't work for cwa(i'm not against that, however...). i have been around the platform for about 6 years is all. i have a lot of posts because i try to help people.

the pulsar1 cards don't perform as well as the later cards, but i've always been able to use them......

[ This Message was edited by: garyb on 2006-04-03 19:59 ]

psionic · Post by **psionic** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:23 pm

Sorry, I must to be annoying one more time.

Can you tell me where I can find drivers earlier than 3.1c? On their FTP site the oldest version is 3.1c. I would like to try their older drivers... At least I will stop being 100% certain that this is driver's fault.

And another thing...
I didn't realise that there are a lot of posts in other places other than 'problem solving', which are almost same as mine. I didn't copy them, I even didn't know they were there, all I have written was from pure frustration with the product.

And yet another thing...
GaryB, you said that you are around SFP for 6 years, but newer computers are not so old

The problem appeared with the newer mobos ( at least for me ) I had this card (LUNA2 year 2003) working perfectly for 2 years on my older comp - But problem arrouse when I bought a new one...

...Goodbye cruel world...

Post by **garyb** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:49 pm

the last computer i built and the current one to be built have the asus p5wd2 premium mobo which uses the ultra new 955x chipset.

i could email you the 3.1b driver which works better for some users, but you have been extremely rude to me. ask Shayne White.