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By the way -- Masterverb Pro really isn't any better than the older Masterverb. It still has a tinny metallic sound. My favorite reverb for Pulsar is the Timeworks 4080L, which is great for most purposes, but it still doesn't have a quite convincing concert hall sound. My all-time favorite reverb is the Ultrafunk Sonitus reverb, with the Lexicon Pantheon following a close second, both of which are included in Sonar 3 Prod.

On 2004-02-17 16:21, Shayne White wrote:
By the way -- Masterverb Pro really isn't any better than the older Masterverb. It still has a tinny metallic sound.

anyone to confirm this?

Pro vs Master Any better, I wouldn't say so, but with the metallic end I agree, tho I'm a newcomer

Perhaps its a case of bad presets?

I never use presets to do more than find a starting place to tune a device from. I also seem to remember that damping & eq isn't set with the presets? (ie, you have to dial it in by hand). Could be wrong...

Yep, the MVPro presets suck IMO. To me the MVPro is the MV with much more control.

Time we made some presets for these suckers, then

I use the all the "Effects" types of "stockies". Like filters. dynamics...allmost everything in the list.

From the synth side i use the miniscope in ALL of my projects!

And of course the MOD2.
Can't produce without it !

Ofcourse i use allmost everything at one or two ocations but usually the stuff printed above.

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heh, all reverbs are either bit on ringy or noisy side... rest is matter of implementation. remember, that real rooms are usually very resonant too.

from stock synths i use modular, modular, i also like lightwave and modular.
from stock effects it would be PEQ4, Delay LS, some choruses... and lots of modular.

btw, in other thread SSB effects were consider stock.
well, i don't have them as i haven't got ProPack so they ain't stock to me...
BC mode on
i find that part of CW policy (esp. towards modular) to be really annoing and resulting in users divided in number of kastas, which kills resources' sharing.
BC mode off

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wayne wrote:

Time we made some presets for these suckers, then

I just want a spring...

Royston

p.s. the first 'HH' studio amp that I owned had an amazing spring reverb. Close your eyes, kick the cabinet hard...you're in a cave!

I never use any effects presets, in fact I don't often use synth presets either. The best way to test a reverb, IMHO, is to turn off all damping filters and leave the reverb on full blast. If you hear a completely smooth decay, the reverb is good quality; if you hear an unnatural "rhythmic" delay-style decay, it's bad. The Masterverb has the latter sound, the other reverbs I mentioned don't. The good, smooth decay makes a far more natural sound when you put the damping filters back on.

(This was all with diffusion as high as possible.)

Shayne

I use everything from the stock given by Pulsar. Everything has its place and moment. Even the most weird FX are in my list, everything is in use.

I have to agree with Garyb post as well.

I want to add a reflection:
I think that most people is too lethargic to “create” new sounds, due to lack of time of course, so they don’t get into tweaking around long enough. All Pulsar FX are more than good enough to work with, even in professional sessions.

To your surprise, I also still use the Modular I, and despite there are some patches that are quiet noisy cos they produce clicks in every key stroke, I use some patches to produce very interesting, warm sounds.

Among the freebies given by many SDK developers, I have found extremely effective devices. It seems people relate “expensive” with “good sounding”, and this is not always true. I have done some demos, some good sounding demos, with those devices, and musicians en engineers were surprised at the quality of those plug-ins. For instance, the moonizer is one of them.

As suggested by several of you already, it is all a matter of perspective.

Nevertheless, I would love of course, to own the Timeworks plug-ins cos they are fantastic sounding, among all the work of several developers like Zarg, etc., but particularly Celmo’s devices, which are among the very best ever done for our boards. It seems that the money concept, as well as the “well-known” name, have a powerful hypnotism over people, if it is a little developer with a rather unknown name, people tend to think: “well, this must be just so so”… Well, this is a wrong concept. You should go and try Celmo’s synths for instance, just think Yamaha has released them.

Hello to all and thank you for replying!

I certainly agree that everything has its use and can be useful sometimes. What is considered good and bad has always got to do with personal preferences and with the kind of music you are dealing with. If you are dealing with electronic music, the good/bad distinction point is somewhat blurred, cause anyway you are making a "new" sound, a sound that it is not found in nature. However, if you are dealing with acoustic music, then you can more easily say if a certain reverb or eq unit is better or worse than another one.
I was wondering if the Timeworks 4080L device sounds better in SFP or is it the same with its native version?
As far as reverb is concerned (which is extremely important to me), my beloved plug-ins are the following:
1) SIR with the PCM91 and Sony DRE impulses found at Noisevault
2) Freeware Ambience VST
(3) I ve tried the demo of the PCM90 reverb by our fellow developper Warp69 and I found it VERY NICE. I look forward to his line of reverbs.
The Masterverb, I find it horrible sounding because it has a very pronounced ringing tone in it. However, I still use it when tracking, especially vocals, for the singer to listen to his voice with some reverb (latency free).
With EQ, I am more or less happy with PEQ4, but I d prefer a better one.
With compressors, the freewares D-Comp (by D-Mute), master-d compressor (by Andre Dupke) and the ones by digitalfishfones are the best sounding to me to the time. But still looking...

On 2004-02-16 17:30, braincell wrote:
I don't use SFP synths because they don't sound as good as my hardware synths do.

May I ask what are your HW synths?

Shayne White wrote:

My favorite reverb for Pulsar is the Timeworks 4080L

Hi Shayne

I'd like to ask - is that DirectX only, or is there a scope platform version available too?

(If DirectX...how do you incorporate it into your system...I've never used that interface myself)

TIA,

Royston

http://www.sonictimeworks.com has a price list. In the buttom, you get to the SFP plug-ins.

Hi Immanuel

Yeah, I've had a good look at their site, which is why I asked the question - the only SFP reverb I could see was the 'Scope Pro Reverb' (not the 4080L).

Using DirectX in Cubase (/SFP?) is still a mystery to me...

Royston

Look again
http://www.sonictimeworks.com/purchase.php

what's in a name?
http://d-media.dk/plugs/images/SeriesIII_midi_4080L.jpg

Immanuel wrote:

Look again
http://www.sonictimeworks.com/purchase.php

Ah. Gotcha. And only $100 more than the DX version

virtualstudio wrote:

what's in a name?
http://d-media.dk/plugs/images/SeriesIII_midi_4080L.jpg

A superficial level of identification.

On the surface of things anyway...

Thanks guys

Royston