On 2003-12-01 13:17, Nestor wrote:
The JoeKee VC3 it's a great option, it is cheap and extremely good sounding.
ya Nestor you are right. i have that. its joemeek vc3 and sounds not too bad. i'm using a akg 3000b mic with it.
but than again i'm looking for my next mic and mic pre...
you should consider the RNP !
the cheap focusrite are not very good imho but there is THE name on it !
red or isa serie a far betterthan the cheap one but very expensive.
the rnp is stereo , and 70db gain .
if you need a lot of gain with no noise ( for ribbon mike in quiet scenario for exemple ) . the great river preamp is the one for you . sytek do a really good preamp too
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On 2003-12-15 08:21, braincell wrote:
My friend who is a music producer and engineer said that Joe Meek is mainly for guitar. He says I should get a focusrite.
He is absolutely right, the meek sounds great (really great) on voice ,guitare, and any acoustic instruments. It is very nice on electric basses too. It is not the best for electronic sources, eventhough the Eq is quite efficient in giving a sound to anything... I have two of them, a small mq3 (very nice) and the bigger VC1qs (veru nice too)...
I love Minimax in one of those for Eq, but not compression (doesn't sound great).
In any case the meek thing is over now and if you look for meek sound you should try tfpro. very nice review of thre P9 Edward the compressor...
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Is the Focusrite Penta bad quality? Now I am confused. The RNP sounds that much better? Or do I want more bells and whistles? I have a Senheinser 441 but also would like to use it for my synths and the Penta has a pre and a comp, that sounds like it would be good to have. I don't own a comp either.
how is your budget ?
I recommend you to buy a very good preamp ; avoid to compress at the take . on pulsar the vinco is far better than most of hardware comp . so if you use hardware comp it's for a special kind of sound color so you have to know exactly what you are going to do . instead of that you should use the most transparant comp to " maximise" the signal before the ad . but again you have to take care ! ( for low budget RNC is incredible )
if you go for the best preamp you avoid a lot of troubles like ground noise ,noise at high gain or trouble with mic load ( old ribbon works best at 50 ohms and new condenser works best a 200ohm ) ;
don't forget than comp raise the background noise so if you have a very quiet preamp with a mike well loded no problem . avoid the use of comp to raise the level ! just use a preamp with more gain ; after that all is possible if you have the sound you want . but my point of view is to have the cleaner signal . so the best preamp .
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Well the RNC is all I can afford but the RNC and the Vinco would be nearly $700 USD. That is a lot of money for me. Does the RNC work well with synthesizers as well? Does the Penta really add a lot of noise? I won't have a soundproof room but the area I will use is generally quiet. I might have to shut off the AC or heat for a while. I'll be using a ribbon mic. The 441 needs a lot of amplification.
just a quick two points...the dbx is certainly good.
the logic of buying a simpler device instead of bells and whistles is that then the money you that are spending is spent on the most important part,the basic sound of the device and not on leds and buttons and support and developement of auxillary functions which might be better handled elsewhere.if you need excessive eq and compression at recording,maybe you need to reconsider your recording technique(or try a different mic)..........
I've got an NTK by Rode and a Shure SM57. There are better mics I'm sure, but both have been fantastic. The best thing to do on this front is to test with the sources you will be recording. Voices, Acoustic Guitars, Elec. guitars & amps will all sound sweeter at different frequencies. And the microphone that sounds the best for all of them doesn't exist. So you want to try and get a sense of what effect the mic will have on the tone and quality of the track as it's laid down. When they smell a sale, Guitar Center-like salesmen will put together an a/b/c recording tester for you. Just get your mics set up with an in-shop Pro-Tools rig (preferrably through mixer-pres or the exact same ext. pres for consistency) and record the sam track through all 3 in one sitting.
That's about the best microphone shopping method out there (that I know of).
I've got the PreSonus TUBEPre, and it is fairly nice for what it is. You could always add a compressor/limiter after it later on. The PreSonus series is designed that way, and they are supposed to be rack mountable.
There is no hard limiter on the output though and I use it with the A16 Ultra so I have to watch your levels.
Anyway, I don't think there would be much loss in quallity if you choose to record in 24/32 bit without compression and add some good software post-compression instead.
The DBX 360 has a distinct advantage that is has a digital output, also I know it will work for years to come regardless of what computer, soundcard or operating system I am using. The Vinco is dependent on Creamware. In the future there may be no Creamware. I may go to a new operating system. The Vinco at that point will be trash while my hardware will all still be useable. As good as Creamware is. It is satisfying for me to own real hardware. I am very happy with my hardware synths. I will buy Creamware effects if and only if they price them much lower than they are now. I know I mentioned I was thinking about buying the Vinco. I just changed my mind.
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you know,if the pci slot becomes obsolete,your cw cards in an old computer become pretty darn good stand alone effects and synths,especially with ad/da connected to the adat or zlink connectors........think "vintage".....
