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hubird wrote: Everyone who doesn't believe this covering conspiracy being possible in todays world can thus also forget about the scientific claims of you.
And so do I.

Absolutely right! You are in your legitimate right to not believe anything here said.

I wasn't after or claiming that right actually.
It'd be an open door to state that right.

I was connecting the believe in your conspiracy theory to the truth of your scientific claims.

The one who doesn't believe in the possibility of a huge covering up operation can automatically forget about the scientific claims being true.
If the conspiracy theory is rejected while the scientific claims were true then the world would be obsessed already by the news.

In other words: I stated that your scientific claims can only be hold by a believe in the conspiracy theory of a covering up operation.

And therefor we should talk about the claim of the conspiracy theory rather than the scientific claims.

We can leave the scientific claims to the scientists as they have the real knowledge.


That's something different

a simple mathematical model for conspiracies involving multiple actors with time, which yields failure probability for any given conspiracy

Brother Hubird, when the day arrives for you to see what is going on behind the scenes, it's going to be such a big revelation... because you have never believed anything conspiracy like. I guess you will be fine until you find out the truth. You will feel very disappointed about politicians and the like. I am, in the other hand, already suffering, but when the day comes for all these things to be openly disclosed by force, I will be more than ready to ride the fire horse that will be in front of every one of us.

borg wrote:a simple mathematical model for conspiracies involving multiple actors with time, which yields failure probability for any given conspiracy

"In this work, we establish a simple mathematical model for conspiracies involving multiple actors with time, which yields failure probability for any given conspiracy."

That offers hope

Great research and model, for as far as I've checked.
Long live (statistical) science

Nestor wrote:Brother Hubird, when the day arrives for you to see what is going on behind the scenes, it's going to be such a big revelation... because you have never believed anything conspiracy like. I guess you will be fine until you find out the truth. You will feel very disappointed about politicians and the like. I am, in the other hand, already suffering, but when the day comes for all these things to be openly disclosed by force, I will be more than ready to ride the fire horse that will be in front of every one of us.

I'm very critical to politicians, but I also don't expect them to make me happy.

If you are wrong, meaning if your theory about the covering up operation doesn't hold, than the Nibiru story must be seen as phantasy too.
That's what I'm saying.
So you better should reach us actual arguments for the existence or probability of the operation rather than offer 'believe me' calls.
I don't have reasons to believe you, why would I believe you?

borg wrote:a simple mathematical model for conspiracies involving multiple actors with time, which yields failure probability for any given conspiracy

We'll see in a few years, where this supreme "model" is on...

All I see here is yet another ridiculously simplistic intellectual self-centered and narcissistic theory coming from intellectuals that believe they know life better than life itself because they are capable to masturbate themselves with their brains in infinite rhetoric thoughts that do not coincide with REALITY. People totally hallucinated by their own mind, in most cases, horribly pedantic, people incapable to listen to anybody but themselves, while life passes by in front of them without ANY relation whatsoever to their romantic theories… as it is the case in this “model” This is, honestly, tragicomic!

hubird wrote: I don't have reasons to believe you, why would I believe you?

You will not need any theory, REALITY will reach you, no need to believe either.

You don't need to believe anything, and least of all I need it from anyone, I know, no need to believe.

Nestor wrote:

borg wrote:a simple mathematical model for conspiracies involving multiple actors with time, which yields failure probability for any given conspiracy

We'll see in a few years, where this supreme "model" is on...

All I see here is yet another ridiculously simplistic intellectual self-centered and narcissistic theory coming from intellectuals that believe they know life better than life itself because they are capable to masturbate themselves with their brains in infinite rhetoric thoughts that do not coincide with REALITY. People totally hallucinated by their own mind, in most cases, horribly pedantic, people incapable to listen to anybody but themselves, while life passes by in front of them without ANY relation whatsoever to their romantic theories… as it is the case in this “model” This is, honestly, tragicomic!

You talk like a primitive being.
I can understand politically articulated conspiracy theories, but this demonstration of anti-intellectualism reminds me of the worst dark times of 20th century European history.
Moreover, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Jong-il could have said the same.

Nestor wrote:

borg wrote:a simple mathematical model for conspiracies involving multiple actors with time, which yields failure probability for any given conspiracy

We'll see in a few years, where this supreme "model" is on...

How many is 'a few' ? You mean in our lifetime e.g. (say by 2040) ?

no, he means the mentioned 3 years before that dumb planet would come.

Right. But when is it due ?

well Nestor, you indeed surprised me a bit with your response. didn't expect that.
anyway, I just wanted to insert a small 'comical interludium', not take a side, but for love of the game I will for a sec...

so 'my scientist' is guilty of all the things you describe in your answer, and yours is not?
there is no reason to panic or start fights. if the event is to occur in the near future, we won't have the technology to escape, or maybe ed norton will save us. if it's far far away, I even care less. humanity probably won't last very long.

if only atOm was here to chime in. he really is a very smart guy who happens to know quite a bit on the subject.

bye!

borg wrote:well Nestor, you indeed surprised me a bit with your response. didn't expect that.

I did.

It's the color of ultra-dark right what's under the skin.
I remember his 3 times call for 'a strong man' as leader, some anti-semiticly inspired posts, and some referred ultra-conservative websites .
But I tried to forget.

I let this pass, as he doesn't understand what he's saying, but I'm slightly shocked.

hubird wrote:

Nestor wrote:

borg wrote:a simple mathematical model for conspiracies involving multiple actors with time, which yields failure probability for any given conspiracy

We'll see in a few years, where this supreme "model" is on...

All I see here is yet another ridiculously simplistic intellectual self-centered and narcissistic theory coming from intellectuals that believe they know life better than life itself because they are capable to masturbate themselves with their brains in infinite rhetoric thoughts that do not coincide with REALITY. People totally hallucinated by their own mind, in most cases, horribly pedantic, people incapable to listen to anybody but themselves, while life passes by in front of them without ANY relation whatsoever to their romantic theories… as it is the case in this “model” This is, honestly, tragicomic!

You talk like a primitive being.
I can understand politically articulated conspiracy theories, but this demonstration of anti-intellectualism reminds me of the worst dark times of 20th century European history.
Moreover, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Jong-il could have said the same.

This is what you believe? And which is the meaning of it? anti-intellectualism? Intellect is correct when it is used correctly, badly used it is terribly bad.

dante wrote:

Nestor wrote:

borg wrote:a simple mathematical model for conspiracies involving multiple actors with time, which yields failure probability for any given conspiracy

We'll see in a few years, where this supreme "model" is on...

How many is 'a few' ? You mean in our lifetime e.g. (say by 2040) ?

Definetely in our lifetime, no doubt!

please, moderator...protect him against himself

borg wrote:well Nestor, you indeed surprised me a bit with your response. didn't expect that.
anyway, I just wanted to insert a small 'comical interludium', not take a side, but for love of the game I will for a sec...

so 'my scientist' is guilty of all the things you describe in your answer, and yours is not?
there is no reason to panic or start fights. if the event is to occur in the near future, we won't have the technology to escape, or maybe ed norton will save us. if it's far far away, I even care less. humanity probably won't last very long.

if only atOm was here to chime in. he really is a very smart guy who happens to know quite a bit on the subject.

bye!

Well, that’s cool. This makes you laugh because you find it “comical”, I have nothing against that, that’s great, but in a thread like this I would not expect somebody to post a theory and then joke about it, I did not understand you, sorry if I didn’t. My answer would have been exactly the same, regardless of who would have posted this link. Now, for me the theory or model of the link is shameful, as it is kind of a statue to ignorance, and apology to our disgrace. I cannot tell you otherwise because this article for me it really is playing games with words to asleep oneself into an even deeper sleep and that cannot be good. For me Planet X is not a joke at all, this kind of philosophies so are an insult to reality.

hubird wrote:

borg wrote:well Nestor, you indeed surprised me a bit with your response. didn't expect that.

I did.

It's the color of ultra-dark right what's under the skin.
I remember his 3 times call for 'a strong man' as leader, some anti-semiticly inspired posts, and some referred ultra-conservative websites .
But I tried to forget.

I let this pass, as he doesn't understand what he's saying, but I'm slightly shocked.

Hubird! Be careful with what you are saying please, you are going very far… Are you accusing me of being anti-semitic? This is treacherous to say the least! I MYSELF HAVE SOME JEWISH BLOOD IN MY VEINS! How could I be against my own blood? Ultra-dark-right? What does it even mean? Do you realize how serious it is what you are saying? Wow! I knew you had problems man, but didn’t expect you had twisted to such an extent. This is an unnecessary slur, a really offensive and awfully insulting post, why! The worst you have ever written so far against anybody here. But why brother, how can you justify this? Just because you don’t like what I say? Please, reconsider your words, I do not deserve this treatment, I have not done anything against you to be attacked with such cloudy lies

Ultra-conservative websites? Would you please post them? Would you be able to reproduce them? Where are these websites, where is it the line in which I have spoken against Jewish people? Ultra-right? Please, give us evidence of what you are talking about!

I would agree to close this thread.
All is said, after all.
For me fun is over.