Nestor wrote:I see people are extremely programed in what they say in most cases in regard with politics, religion, racial preconceptions and so on, when they dislike a point of view or an idea puts in jeopardy their egoist freedom. Reactions are in most cases, stereotyped and fixed, and they can easily be closed in a particular circle of the many circles of blind learning that there exist out there, for instance: Marxism, Capitalism, Modern Christianity, Atheism, Nihilism, etc. Or even the mass of lies that we study in schools and universities, accepted as true knowledge, but everything is changing now, fortunately.
It is VERY rare to find a person, just “one single person in this life”, ready to sincere himself about himself. But when this happens, this person really shines well beyond normal possibilities, because he will certainly reach the maturity of his character. It is also extremely rare to find a persona with a “quiet mind”, as quiet as to be able to LISTEN TO OTHERS openly, it is a miracle to find somebody today with whom holding a conversation without the heavy load of “learned concepts”
I'm really sorry to have to say that every single words I read here, Nestor, can be applyable to all those people who believe they own THE truth. As I said and develope even more in this post, science principle is to be opened to everything that will increase knowledge since that new information, evidence are strong, reproductible, measurable, quantificable, in one word : real. Only science is agree to change its mind if facts shows the theory is wrong. It happens everydays in science. But, for example, did you see any creationnist changing his opinion when scientists explain clearly how new species appear under our eyes ? Like london underground mosquitoes, resistant viruses, etc...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Un ... d_mosquito The power of scientifical theory : There is an orchid in Madagascar in which the "food" (don't know the english word) that insects eat is in the bottom of a long tube. And none was able to say how that orchid was abble to have children because no known insect was able to catch it. People against Darwin theory was claiming : that's it ! Darwin theory doesn't work ! It can't explain how the orchid makes children ! And Darwin received an orchid of Madagascar, he study it and conclude there must be somewhere a butterfly from sphinx family that is able to eat in that orchid. It's just because we didn't find it yet. And indeed, 40 or 50 years later, the butterfly was discovered ! Isn't it wonderful ? Isn't it wonderful that all sophisticated life on earth can be explained by Darwin theory ? I find this so much more wonderful than with god explanation !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanthopan_morgani
And there is so much other example in which science prediction were right ! Were wrong too but give me just one prediction made by other than science that happend ? An example with the prediction made BEFORE the event happend ! Because "post event" made predictions, I don't need nobody to find tons ! Who is unable to listen to other openly ? The guy who studys phenomenom so well that he can make prediction or other who believe there is only one explanation ?
Before, 350 - 400 years ago, when people noticed some interesting and incomprehensible events, they always conclude like this : "Did you see that !? How is it possible ? ... Oh ! That's it ! I know what happend ! I know how it works ! It's because of god will !" And that is how "science" worked. Then, some other people like Galileo, but he was no alone, had that completly new reasoning : "if every time I discover a mecanism or an unbelievable event or something like that, I conclude : it's because of god will ; I'll never understand deeper how everything around me works". Modern science was born.
When whould one stop the cause-effect reasoning mecanism if absolutely any cause is possible : god, E.T., UFO or whatever ? If any mystical cause is possible, there is no reasoning way : you always have got the answer to any question ! You don't need to think, use your brain, go deep into logics, elaborate explanation with solid hypothesis, no need all that : you've got the answer : it's because of god will, or E.T. (again) or reptilians or whatever. So, they decided to ONLY use cause-effect that they are able to explain WITHOUT any mystical cause. They decided to separate science and religion or any mystical dogma, to not mix science and religion or metaphysics. Human made good invention before : sail boats, wheel, fire, etc... But without giving to them another explanation than god will. But when some, few of humans decided, against dogma, risking their life, to separate religion and science, they changed our world like never before. And none is able to say it's a wrong idea because since that moment, knowledge increased exponentialy and now, EVERYTHING around us exists thank to science. You can find plenty of videos showing how much our civilization uses science to make life easier, better, longer with less diseases. Just go and watch "I fucking love science" :
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvOTgn ... Dd2y5TEApw Build up your science culture. Even if you didn't go far at school, there is some very good people who are able to explain actual science knowledge without mathematical formula or abstruse speech. Of course, it's a looOOong hard work, it doesn't take one hour. It never ends and sometimes, you must change what you thought. But, without to know the reason, I find that really excellent, it became as important as eating when I'm hungry, or music and that's not saying much. When one start to learn about sciences, one realize there is so much subjects in which our senses deceive us ! Without a scientifical way of reasoning, we would still believe earth is flat, heavy objects fall faster than light ones, human is upon all other animals and so many other things ! Nobody is able to know everything nowadays.
Scientists KNOW some of their theories are wrong, that's why they are searching, trying to find another theory that would explain better what they measure. When you put in front of scientists evidence their theories are wrong, they change their theory : it has been always like that. If they don't change their theory, it's just because they didn't find evidence to do so. Guess how would other than sientists explain those phenomenons : They would not had the chance to watch them, anyway, because it's scientifical theories that sometimes predicted them or are explained by scientifical theories. And if you would show one of those experiences (I do the one you see at 1:37 with my students : it's an objet that floats in a copper tube, it's about electromagnetism ; totaly incredible !) to some people who would be totaly ignorant about to day science, like someone coming from the past, he would think you take your breakfast with god every morning and shit in the same toilets. To be able to follow the right protocol to replicate those experiments, you need science, not prayers or rituals.
I'm a teacher with adults, I teach them how to buid, fix industrial automatic machines, there is a lot of muslim guys. The forming lasts 9 months. At the beginning, I tell them with humor that if they pray for the machine to be repaired, there is not huge probabilities of result... They'll need logic, reason, deduction, etc... Taxes pay my salory !
But praying for repairing a machine that doesn't want to start is absolutely not stupid when one believe in god. Why would that be more stupid than believing every government president is a reptilian or an illuminati ? God can all, be everywhere, know all, even when you fiddle with your natural elastic toy in your bed... Repairing a machine should be even less than easy for him. If you don't believe in god but believe in E.T., take E.T....
If anything is possible because sience doesn't know everything, we go back 400 years ago when anything was explained by god. No need to try to understand a phenomenon : we already have the answer whatever phenomenon is discribed, it's because E.T.'s are here secretly, god wanted it, etc...etc... The most weird scientist theories like quantum mecanics, relativity conviced scientist community when they had enough evidences : they changed their theories and accept those amazing new ones and now, some people has got a nerve to say they are not opened to new knowledge ! How can one ?! Who is not "opened", the one who changes his theory in front of evidences or the one who explain ANYTHING with their fixed dogma ?
And scientists, as I said, know that their theories will evolve : they already know quantum mecanics and relativity are 2 way for discribing the same universe but are incompatible. They know they will have to change those theories, those theories are not dogma : they evolve, not the dogmas. And they are working on sarching the way to have just one theory that would explain very small things with huge. Who is not opened, someone who knows and accepts his theory will evolve or someone who believe in his dogma ? Come on !
You'll find more videos on internet trying to convinve that science prooved god existence than videos showing the actual science knowledge. I must say that in french internet, it's even worst than in english If I type "interesting science documentary", I get, apparently really good science documentaries but if I type "documentaire scientifique intéressant", I get a lot of free energy, UFO, ghosts, etc...
Often, when people are talking, there is a debat, the people who are talking don't agree, when someone has arguments against his interlocutor way of thinking, that interlocutor feels it's like a personnal attak. And anger can be his emotion. Why ? It's not personnal attak ! It's debat about a particular topic, subject. It's not because Gary doesn't agree with me in that topic that I'll think his music gear, computer knowledge and advices are stupid and useless. Anyone is naturaly bringed to not like someone who doesn't think like you and give arguments that contredict one's belief in a debat. It's very hard to avoid that and often, debats finish with insults, like nazis, one call that Godwin points. At my work, one of the guy I really like to eat and talk votes for Le Pen ! We avoid to talk about politics, we find a lot of other subjects and we think highly of each other. My grandfather was an anarchist and my grandmother a paractising catholic ! Don't ask me why they married together ! I let you guess how animated was, sometimes, their discussions... But they lived together all their lives, they loved (I hope !) each other and they agreed on a lot of other subjects. Ok, I confess I would not be able to live with a girl who believe there is reptilians all around us and they have the power. And lizards love taxes... That would not be possible... Or just for one night...
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Gary and Hubird, take care ! Otherwise, I'll post an even bigger one next time ! 
it's not a matter of "who is right and who is wrong". it will be years before we find out, and as i have said, if Nestor is right, then everyone is likely to die and if Nestor is wrong, then we probably won't care much.