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Neutron wrote:

garyb wrote:one nice thing about the XITE is that the cable connecting to the computer can be 10 meters long! there a lot of money to be saved on a quiet pc right there, if the pc can be 10 meters away. it think they did the right thing with the box, and those who remember know i was opposed to an external box originally...

how much does the 10M cable cost though

Oh come on - they'll sell you jacks, knobs, front plate, power cable, and PCI cable separately? - or how about even the A/D/A chips?
THAT's illogical

It's not prudent to buy any of their cards now because all of it is older than sin other than the Xite-1.

braincell wrote:It's not prudent to buy any of their cards now because all of it is older than sin other than the Xite-1.

It's prudent if you want a cheap, functional board that expands your DSP overhead.

The Scope Pro and home boards are still as new as many boards on the market nowadays.

Greg

braincell wrote:It's not prudent to buy any of their cards now because all of it is older than sin other than the Xite-1.

dude, scope v5 works on the old cards. the old cards work in new computers. the Scope part is exactly the same old card or new. it's not obsolete yet, and even if it was, you could still use it, it would still sound just as good and work just as well. would you like an older than sin Buchla modular for Christmas? should i throw away my AKG D12E because it was made in the 60s? you say some strange things. is a dsp card a plot of land or similar real estate investment? if so, it's worth more as an oil well or a farm than as a housing tract or shopping mall, if you know what i mean.

what'd be prudent, would be to shut up and get a good paying job that'll earn you that XITE you need and want, rather than whining about the fact that you don't have the money.

(sorry... )

It's quite impressive to see those guys at sonic-core go with the 'we want to do it right' attitude as opposed to the 'lets put this thing on the market and see if we can make $ with it, fix it later' other audio companies are displaying way too often. So what if they are one year late, as long as the thing rules for another 10 years. Let's go sonic-core da da da da da

Well said Brotha' Man....................

I think certain folks will be very happy when their 8 year old investment gets an update and can use 64bit drivers.
Cubase 5 is only a 200 USD update and still doesn't have 64bit drivers.....and 4 still has unaddressed bugs that will be swept away. Yet many people are very happy to spend more money and continue in that direction. Whiners at Cubase.net have their threads erased or become bannished by the all knowing moderators for eternity.
I look forward to updating the DAW w/ 3 x Type I cards to a 64bit Core 2 Duo Quad w/ 8GB's of DDR2 for " Next To Nothing " ( no pun intended Brotha' Man piddi ).
Sadly my Lynx One card has been discontinued a year or so ago, but I doubt I will send them nasty emails.
In all honesty I believe Holger & Jurgen are the smartest, most considerate guys, and it appears as though they are kissing all of our asses by continuing to support a product that is so..........." Old ".

siriusbliss wrote:

braincell wrote:It's not prudent to buy any of their cards now because all of it is older than sin other than the Xite-1.

It's prudent if you want a cheap, functional board that expands your DSP overhead.

The Scope Pro and home boards are still as new as many boards on the market nowadays.

Greg

What board would that be? The scope system is great but the hardware is in no way cheap concidering how old it is.

under a 'performance only' point of view that would be correct
but the pricetag of 'vintage' Sharcs is beyond SC's influence - afaik Analog sells the old DSP for the same amount as ever and didn't drop them just because the new chips are more powerful.
the 16bit converter in my 20 year old CD player costs 5-10 times more than the 24bit thing on a Scope card

in the end it's the usual mixed-up calculation anyway...
the Scope package of software, IO and functionality is still a good bang for the buck
of course it's relation will be beaten by the XITE once it's released, but that's how it goes
still there will be an affordable entry into the technology if money is the main restriction

but assuming a 2.5k streetprice (possibly dropping to 2k if it sells really good) isn't something you need to sell your arms and legs for.
that's just the price of a quality guitar... Fender sells of ton of that stuff to 'poor' musicians, year after year...

cheers, Tom

I understand the knee jerk responses to the unknown, it can be quite unsettling to those of that disposition. I for one support Sonic-Core in this new endevour, as it seems on the whole does everyone else, maybe the confusion comes because this platform is beyond many of our dreams. It amuses me to think we may again get to explore sound and studio equipment hitherto beyond our budgets. What an incredible company to offer that. It's more than a dream and it's apparent it's a realisation as its release seems imminet. We have yet to see thier marketing strategy but it would not hurt all of us to positively endorse this product as we all recognise its pioneering nature and with our support maybe there will be more Xite's in the future. It also is prudent to support Sonic-Core because it is upon their survival which we all rely. Sonic-Core are the ones bringing this to the masses.

That said and with a nod of recognition to the forum thread this is written in, it does appear we have again strayed off topic.

Is there anymore news from Namn?

astroman wrote:
but assuming a 2.5k streetprice (possibly dropping to 2k if it sells really good) isn't something you need to sell your arms and legs for.
that's just the price of a quality guitar... Fender sells of ton of that stuff to 'poor' musicians, year after year...

cheers, Tom

Are you saying that the street price for the Xite will be about 2.5k US? That would be a great deal indeed! I thought it was going to be more like $3500, sill a very good price for what it is IMHO. As for the current boards I think the used prices are reasonably fair. The new prices that I see on the sonic core site and other on-line stores is simply out of line with todays offerings. I am referring to the Powercore 8x with a $500 voucher for $1500 US. And the UAD2 quad also for $1500 and one is firewire and the other is PCIEe. Both of these are many times more powerful than a single pro board. Honestly though it is hard to compare value wise as it all depends on what you need.

Mike Goodwin wrote:

astroman wrote:
but assuming a 2.5k streetprice (possibly dropping to 2k if it sells really good) isn't something you need to sell your arms and legs for.
that's just the price of a quality guitar... Fender sells of ton of that stuff to 'poor' musicians, year after year...

cheers, Tom

Are you saying that the street price for the Xite will be about 2.5k US? That would be a great deal indeed! I thought it was going to be more like $3500, sill a very good price for what it is IMHO. As for the current boards I think the used prices are reasonably fair. The new prices that I see on the sonic core site and other on-line stores is simply out of line with todays offerings. I am referring to the Powercore 8x with a $500 voucher for $1500 US. And the UAD2 quad also for $1500 and one is firewire and the other is PCIEe. Both of these are many times more powerful than a single pro board. Honestly though it is hard to compare value wise as it all depends on what you need.

The Powercore and UAD's do not offer all the features as Scope for the price.
That's the whole point.

Greg

Mary Mungo wrote:Is there anymore news from Namn?

No more news that I know of.

Now SC is probably preparing for Music Messe in April.

It WOULD be nice to get some updated announcement or post on SC's site or here on the forum

Greg

Uh, I think I missed it in the thread...

Did we get a price/availability on the Xite?

Mike Goodwin wrote:
The Powercore and UAD's do not offer all the features as Scope for the price.
That's the whole point.

Greg

Sorry I was not clear in my post. I was refering only to the hardware. When you factor in the software it is much harder to compare as they offer different things. One offers a massive amount software included and in most cased audio I/O. The other offers many times the CPU power but for a similar price point the software package is very small in compairison to SCOPE. So in the end we agree

It would be stupid to buy any expensive card until they are for PCIe X1 and Vista/Windows 7 64-bit. That is state of the art and a *huge* advantage. The Xite-1 is PCIe not PCIe X1 or X4.

braincell wrote:It would be stupid to buy any expensive card until they are for PCIe X1 and Vista/Windows 7 64-bit. That is state of the art and a *huge* advantage. The Xite-1 is PCIe not PCIe X1 or X4.

Yes the pci thing is a little bit of a drag when thinking about spending $1000 bucks on a board. This being said I think the PCIe will be supported for a very long time.

I hope not because PCIe X1 is much faster and there is an even faster one in development.

siriusbliss wrote: The Powercore and UAD's do not offer all the features as Scope for the price.
That's the whole point.

For example, neither the UAD or the PoCo are soundcards... You still need to get the sound in and out...

braincell wrote:It would be stupid to buy any expensive card until they are for PCIe X1 and Vista/Windows 7 64-bit. That is state of the art and a *huge* advantage. The Xite-1 is PCIe not PCIe X1 or X4.

I believe it's PCIe-X1. At least that's what I was told at NAMM.


Greg

braincell wrote:I hope not because PCIe X1 is much faster and there is an even faster one in development.

Don't want to sound like an ass but there is always something faster just around the corner. Bottom line is that if the pcie is fast enough for xite then it is fast enough for xite. That is as fast as it needs to be.

Put it this way...
the current PCI buss is fast enough to run 10x the power of a Scope Pro board, or if you look at what UAD is doing with there powered cards you can hook up what would have been 40 uad1 cards in one computer. If you can't produce a good track with that much bandwidth then I can guarantee you with not a single doubt in my mind that it is not a lack of processing power that is the problem.

Another way of looking at it would be like this. You could currently build a system that would look like this

$500 tyran server motherboard
$700-4000 2x Quad core intel CPU
$2500-3500 xite = ten pro boards
$6000-10000 4xUAD Quad = 40 UAD1 boards
$1500 Powercore 8x

There ya go endless power for about 14000 bucks. Not to bad when you consider the fact that the first computer I made music with was a 486dx2 with 32 MB of ram and a 2gig hard drive that was worth $6500.

That is simply more power than anyone "needs". Lets celebrate for goodness sakes we are in an age where speed is finaly not the issue. YAY!