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garyb wrote:there are plans and energy going in the direction of vista support.

Not to be synical, but support told me almost 2 years ago that a 64 bit version of Scope was being worked on and would be released in less than 6 mths. I won't even touch OSX...

plans and energy is vapor AFAIAK.

For CW's long term success of Scope, I really hope this is more than lip service.

I am curious how much "effort" is actually being put in Scope development with the success of ASB.

As Tom stated, it is good buisness sense to focus on the product that is selling well.

For all pulsarians, even if like me you plan on staying on XP, Vista drivers mean continued marketability for our platform and hopefully much longer life for the company . Bottom line is hardware sales will be absolutly nil until they show prospecive users they are prepared for the future.

I guess with Vista being released tomorrow, and many vendors already having drivers, Scope 5 for Vista should be being released in the month, not just being looked at , or just starting development IMO.

If there is no compatibility before June, I would say don't bother, let it die. Focus on ASB which seems to be a good revenue maker for CW at the moment. Hopefully they can make Scope a profitable part of the biz as well, for all of our sakes.

CH

i could answer you, but then i'd have to kill you for knowing too much.



these issues have been discussed, most certainly.

BWAAAA HA HA HA

That was Funny.

My hope is it has been much more than discussed

It only being discussed is what worries me

Hopefully our friends in Berlin have this all sorted out with a good plan for execution.
No, Don't tell me more, I like living

CH

quick quick, switch to vista now!!! you are missing the boat.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/

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it's 32-bit xp vs 32-bit vista though, but pretty funny still. maybe in 5 years, when companies will have ported and optimized their huge codebase to 64-bit vista, it'll make some sense to switch. right now it's completely useless though. unless you really need those 8gb of ram, in which case i would suggest a flaw in your working method more than a flaw in an operating system.

plus!!! it was announced that some versions of Vista will require XP/2K to be installed beforehand! a great way to make a really fun process even more fun! will make things a lot more productive. oooh i can't wait.

symbiote wrote: plus!!! it was announced that some versions of Vista will require XP/2K to be installed beforehand! a great way to make a really fun process even more fun! will make things a lot more productive. oooh i can't wait.

yes, the update versions are supposed to run only from an installed 2k or xp, it seems (they are not bootable).
it was announced, too, that these "update" versions are those fully packaged ones (like the "full" versions), that are said to be even more expensive than a system builder version. the latter has the advantage to run/boot the installer from cd, thus making it possible to install it onto the bare metal. buying the boxed "update" version makes no real sense (to most persons, unless you want 2 free support calls), imho.

-greetings, markus-

I'd be happy to find any product in their portfolio that makes at least some sense...
'real' is just demanding to much

astroman wrote:I'd be happy to find any product in their portfolio that makes at least some sense...

it all depends on your point of view...
selling a copy of whatever makes sense to everybody earning a (big big) livin' with it.
the philanthrophic aspect of it all would be the funding of the bill and melinda gates foundation and its cancer prevention research, but that makes, in fact, your work with a computer not a single bit easier...

-greetings, markus-

by self
have you considered the (direct and indirect) death toll due to working conditions held up by implementing and spreading the 'office' paradigm ?
direct and indirect follow-up costs by watering efficiency of work and lowering the level of progress ?
providing the ground for spam, virus, worm and trojan software

ok, not the most brilliant joke, but kind of...
they may be smart because they literally have a license to print money, but not because they build smart products.
50 million lines by 2k programmers LMAO...

the best way to prevent cancer is a healthier and more conscious way of life, but I'm not so sure that you're seconded by anyone (in charge of public resposibility) once you really arrange your life accordingly

cheers, Tom

wow and it keeps getting better and better!

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Microsoft confirms Vista Speech Recognition remote execution flaw

Microsoft’s initial investigation reveals that this vulnerability could allow an attacker to use the speech recognition feature in Windows Vista to verbally execute commands on a user’s computer.

Based on the initial investigation, Microsoft recommends customers take the following action to protect themselves from potential exploitation of the reported vulnerability:

* A user can turn off their computer speakers and/or microphone.
* If a user does run an audio file that attempts to execute commands on their system, they should close the Windows Media Player, turn off speech recognition and restart their computer.

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info here:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=416
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=418

a well thought out and well designed operating system heralding a new era technological breakthroughs.

symbiote wrote:wow and it keeps getting better and better!

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Microsoft confirms Vista Speech Recognition remote execution flaw

Microsoft’s initial investigation reveals that this vulnerability could allow an attacker to use the speech recognition feature in Windows Vista to verbally execute commands on a user’s computer.

Based on the initial investigation, Microsoft recommends customers take the following action to protect themselves from potential exploitation of the reported vulnerability:

* A user can turn off their computer speakers and/or microphone.
* If a user does run an audio file that attempts to execute commands on their system, they should close the Windows Media Player, turn off speech recognition and restart their computer.

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info here:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=416
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=418

a well thought out and well designed operating system heralding a new era technological breakthroughs.

He he, thats funny. I would say pretty resourceful and ingenius thinking of the hacker more than shame on MS. I mean, this was tested by millions ( literally) of people and no one even conceived that. Too funny.

FWIW, all PC users were ( and especially Mac users) saying the same kind of things when 95-98-2k-XP came out, and yet we're stiil all on XP. There will not be any new PCs sold without Vista so no matter how bad we think it sucks, it is still here for the long run. I know several users who said it would be a cold day in hell before they upgraded from 98 to XP, and fast forward to now, guess what they all use

In 2 years time, almost all of us ( myself included ) will be on Vista no matter how much we think XP is better. Better turn off your Mic

CH

yes, and most of the worst features will be at least partially disabled for practicality or lawsuit's sake anyway. but for the moment, no need to switch, or use it in a new machine.

Problem is Gary, most newbs to PC based recording start out on their Dells or HP's. These will all have Vista on them when they come home from circuit city or best buy . If CW does not have a solution that is compatible with their system, they will be over looked.

In my experience, a "New" DAW user rarly looks to an obsolete interface ( from a driver perspective) and thinks "hey, I will buy the OS that's 5 yrs old so I can use hardware xx". Not gonna happen.

Truth of the matter is there will be ramping up to no new sales of Scope unless CWA produces. This really is vital for their survival long term IMO. I have no immediate need to switch to Vista either, from this point on though, that is all new users will know.

I hope they don't wait another 2 years to present Vista drivers, for their own sake.

CH

yes, of course. this is well understood at CWA.

of course, the problem you relate is based on idiots buying computer toys instead of music production gear. people thinking music, with just a little thought would take the "obsolete" os. sorry posers, it's not about how awesome the computer is, but how awesome the music you make is....

garyb wrote:i could answer you, but then i'd have to kill you for knowing too much. these issues have been discussed, most certainly.

Your "I know something you don't" posts are devoid of content, apart from to communicate to others that you are somehow an insider with access to confidential information.

I sincerely hope there is new software (or even hardware) coming soon from Creamware. And it would be really nice if Creamware would announce it even sooner.

yes, I agree - they should do it the M$ way...

what was the original 'planned' release date for Vista ???
... and THAT developement team HAS unlimited resources (as far as us regular folks can imagine...)

publishing dates are either NAMM or Musikmesse
usually nothing is published by anyone in between, unless it may serve a specific purpose, as to harm a competitor (for example)
I'm too long in this business to trust any schedule at all

cheers, Tom

reflex wrote:

garyb wrote:i could answer you, but then i'd have to kill you for knowing too much. these issues have been discussed, most certainly.

Your "I know something you don't" posts are devoid of content,

hm, that's wrong, I'd say it's full of 'content'