What is the best virtual reverb?

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:31 pm

I have everything but a good reverb. Which one should I get. I would like to get something that sounds great and is not too expensive. Would rather have software than hardware. Are they good enough?

Music Manic · Post by **Music Manic** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:03 pm

Everyone is raving about this:

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... rum=10&274

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:15 pm

The P-100 is a plate reverb (i.e. not an everything-in-one plugin). Personally I don't like *any* plate reverb (hardware or software) on vocals. But everything else (guitar, drums especially; probably many sysnths too, though I wouldn't know) sounds fantastic through the P-100. It is better than any cheap hardware verbs, and sounds at least as good as the medium-level (i.e. fairly expensive) outboard plate verbs it's been compared to.

If you can afford to get a couple of reverbs, this would be an excellent "half of the equation" choice. Personally I would go for a room/hall verb as the other half. Warp has one coming out sometime soon, but I'd also be interested in hearing reviews of the other SFP 3rd party verbs?

$0.02,

Johann

Post by **hubird** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:13 pm

I took my new Masterverb Pro in my current song, and I think it's a very very nice reverb

Also it's easy to edit, you get what youre after very fast using the right type of preset, and it's very complete, f.e. there's a nice hi- and low cut after the input.

I guess the P100 is even better, but...also (much) more ( DSP hungry.
At least I find the MV Pro deep and 'realistic', you can actually 'hear' the created room.

Didn't compare them with each other though, don't have the P100

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braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:11 pm

I can't get into the creamware shop right now. It says page can't be displayed. What about the sonic timeworks reverbx? I can't hep but think that if I bought a lexicon hardware reverb at a similar price it would sound way better.

I just tried the reverbx demo on my laptop. I'm away from my main computer. Some of the presets are too intensive to work. I can't really judge the sound because I only have really cheap headphones here.

I read a lot of the long thread about the plate reverb. It sounds nice but damn I need something which will work for vocals too.

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Music Manic · Post by **Music Manic** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:56 pm

Timeworks Native and Pulsar plugins sound different.4080 is very nice.

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:08 am

you should have a look @ ambience:
http://www.smartelectronix.com/~magnus/

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:09 am

I think probably the best one I've heard is the 4080L, but sonic timeworks want $100 more for the Scope version of that than the DXi one...so they haven't got my money yet.

I recently purchased Anwida Soft's DX Reverb - try out the 'light' version as it's free and uses one of the eleven algorithms found in the full version. Not too complicated for me to use (unlike some other very good, but for my needs over elaborate, 'verbs). Anwida's 'verb is the first one I have come across which sounds how I want it to.

Royston

cleanbluesky · Post by **cleanbluesky** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 6:26 am

On 2004-11-01 16:31, braincell wrote:
I have everything but a good reverb. Which one should I get. I would like to get something that sounds great and is not too expensive. Would rather have software than hardware. Are they good enough?

I always use SIR for versatility.
http://www.knufinke.de/sir/index_en.html
It's also free! There are lots of mega-useful impulses here... http://noisevault.com/
Only problem is that it's native rather than a SCOPE reverb

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:15 am

I was thinking the other day (this happens occasionally) about native verbs vs. scope verbs.

I've thought up 'til now, "I would like a good scope verb, as I can then e.g. use it easily - just aux send out to it and return to mixer".

But, even though its in the scope environment, are you actually getting better latency than using a native one (e.g. DX or VST)?

Think about it - all reverb processing is done on the native CPU & in native memory. So, if you have a scope verb, then the sound needs to be sent up the PCI bus, processed in system RAM and then sent back down the PCI bus & back into scope land.

If you're using a VST one, e.g. the verb is running in Cubase, then the sound is sent up the PCI bus (over ASIO) where the verb then processes it and then it's returned via ASIO.

Looks like the only real difference is in how the data's sent up & down the bus. One approach uses the ASIO protocol, the other is presumably just sending binary data using the PCI bus "normally".

Royston

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:35 am

I have SIR. Which are your favorite impulses?

On 2004-11-02 06:26, cleanbluesky wrote:
On 2004-11-01 16:31, braincell wrote:
I have everything but a good reverb. Which one should I get. I would like to get something that sounds great and is not too expensive. Would rather have software than hardware. Are they good enough?
I always use SIR for versatility.
http://www.knufinke.de/sir/index_en.html
It's also free! There are lots of mega-useful impulses here... http://noisevault.com/
Only problem is that it's native rather than a SCOPE reverb

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:19 pm

On 2004-11-02 07:15, Counterparts wrote:
But, even though its in the scope environment, are you actually getting better latency than using a native one (e.g. DX or VST)?

Another question: do you care? It's a reverb, after all...

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:46 pm

On 2004-11-02 07:15, Counterparts wrote:
...Looks like the only real difference is in how the data's sent up & down the bus. One approach uses the ASIO protocol, the other is presumably just sending binary data using the PCI bus "normally".

imho the processing algorithms are also different between SFP and native processing - and even if exactly the same math model is applied the results will be different due to the underlying math libs.

personally I've given up the idea of 'a best reverb', all will have their place in the right context, but Warp69's stuff is really exceptional - so I have great confidence in the upcoming ambience algo

cheers, Tom

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:28 am

blazesboylan wrote:

Another question: do you care? It's a reverb, after all...

No, which is sort-of the point I was trying to make - I don't care if the verb is living in DSP or native land anymore as there's not a heap of difference

Royston

cleanbluesky · Post by **cleanbluesky** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:06 pm

On 2004-11-02 09:35, braincell wrote:
I have SIR. Which are your favorite impulses?

On 2004-11-02 06:26, cleanbluesky wrote:
On 2004-11-01 16:31, braincell wrote:
I have everything but a good reverb. Which one should I get. I would like to get something that sounds great and is not too expensive. Would rather have software than hardware. Are they good enough?
I always use SIR for versatility.
http://www.knufinke.de/sir/index_en.html
It's also free! There are lots of mega-useful impulses here... http://noisevault.com/
Only problem is that it's native rather than a SCOPE reverb

I have many megabytes of impulses, and I don't know my library well enough to have a favourite (although I do like a lot of Voxengo's Impulse Modeler impulses) when I am choosing a reverb I usually think do I need a big room or a little one. Would this sound good in a church? Also, there are some amazingly unique 'reverbs' that people have made by recording lightening, rain and even the reverb of a forest...

cleanbluesky · Post by **cleanbluesky** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 12:06 pm

On 2004-11-02 16:46, astroman wrote:

personally I've given up the idea of 'a best reverb', all will have their place in the right context

My thoughts exactly...

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:52 pm

SIR is interesting and useful but I am not sure it replaces a meat and potatoes reverb. Am I wrong?

I have many megabytes of impulses, and I don't know my library well enough to have a favourite (although I do like a lot of Voxengo's Impulse Modeler impulses) when I am choosing a reverb I usually think do I need a big room or a little one. Would this sound good in a church? Also, there are some amazingly unique 'reverbs' that people have made by recording lightening, rain and even the reverb of a forest...

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 5:39 am

On 2004-11-09 23:52, braincell wrote:
SIR is interesting and useful but I am not sure it replaces a meat and potatoes reverb. Am I wrong?

I have many megabytes of impulses, and I don't know my library well enough to have a favourite (although I do like a lot of Voxengo's Impulse Modeler impulses) when I am choosing a reverb I usually think do I need a big room or a little one. Would this sound good in a church? Also, there are some amazingly unique 'reverbs' that people have made by recording lightening, rain and even the reverb of a forest...

A friend produced his latest album with SIR only

(not unsuccessful b.t.w.)

akisd28 · Post by **akisd28** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 4:53 pm

If you wanna go native, Princeton 2016 is a great one. Then there are TC Powercore's excellent reverb units.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:56 am

I think I will go with the new Sonic Timeowrks A-100 or I-100.