Another Information (OSX)

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:39 am

Sorry Piddi, I have to agree with Lore and Melenko on this one.

I've been waiting a long time for CWA to come out with SFP for Linux. But since they don't have the software out yet, I'm going to buy an Ad Lib Gold, and hook my old CW cards up to a Palm Pilot so I can play Asteroids on my PDA with really cool sound effects.

Meanwhile I'll have a really powerful professional audio card to work with under Linux: the Ad Lib Gold. It has 8 voices of polyphony. And it even supports General Midi!!!

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:38 am

General MIDI????

(Rolling on floor choking)

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 6:02 am

Don't laugh too hard, Shayne. GM is a big part of the commercial market today. Ever hear of MIDI-Karaoke? I'm sure you have and I'm also sure you have heard about countless millions who improvise themselves singers in their basements every week... Big Bux involved...

lore · Post by **lore** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:32 pm

dear piddi,
i suppose you're being ironic about rme "sound generators" .....
anyway i've never used a single synth on my pulsarII , personally!!! i think they're crap compared to my analogue arsenal. anyway what i loved about pulsar were it's routing and mixing possibilities and belive me i'm going to miss this stuff, a lot ! but i'm on logic audio pro and have a dual processor machine so i'm obliged to switch to mac os x, that's all.

[ This Message was edited by: lore on 2004-10-19 13:39 ]

melenko · Post by **melenko** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:19 pm

Sorry, guys,
do we have an answer from CW...
none, point!
and that's a shame

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:54 pm

melenko, with all respect, I see your point and I've always been convinced that a 'professional' audio company can't leave out the Mac market.
But your questions have entirely been answered.

CWA didn't have the resources to continue the Mac developement on their own and did a smart move by opening their system to the Linux side.

You know, the project coordinated by wsippel - a community project, not a company one.

Linux and OSX have much more in common than the 'classical' Mac OS with Windows, so the diversity narrows - and there are much more programmers available for ix-ish stuff than native Mac coding in the traditional sense.

But wsippel himself wrote they have extreme difficulties to find Mac programmers experienced on kernel and driver level programming.
Which is no wonder at all, as there's a huge amount of work to be done for 'regular' Mac applications - and one cannot expect that someone does a job for free, when he or she could earn a small fortune with the same kind of work in the publishing or internet domain.
We all have to pay a rent or are responsible for a family or something else in that direction...

At least this (humble) way provides the most progress possible under current conditions.
There's simply a lack of manpower and really not much to talk about.
These things take their time - a frightening amount of time if you want to do it right.
System complexity has increased at least to a factor of ten in recent years - while project time simultaneously decreased in a similiar scale.

cheers, Tom

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:05 pm

On 2004-10-19 13:32, lore wrote:
...anyway what i loved about pulsar were it's routing and mixing possibilities and belive me i'm going to miss this stuff, a lot ! ...

I don't see what's the problem to add that 'routing, mixing and fx part' by a couple of adat busses to the RME equipped DualProMac.
You can use any machine with a halfway decent PCI performance, it's a cheapo rack if stuffed with TransientD, STW reverbs, Echo3, ISON, Vinco, Optimaster and the like.
You could even remote control it by a software like Timbuktu.

cheers, Tom

valis · Post by **valis** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:08 pm

Exactly as I do tom

lore · Post by **lore** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:21 pm

hi Tom & Valis,
i thought of that

the only cons i have against are :
1)second mac /pc = more noise and at least 300 eur
2) second monitor = , no place for a crt , maybe a 17 tft , at least 300 eur
3)a little more concentration and brain organization, possible lost of instant inspiration while thinking about the routing;
maybe with some exercise it'll become a routine? Valis ?

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 5:02 pm

You don't need a second monitor, you can just get a KVM switch and run both machines from the same mouse/keyboard/monitor. A 2 port KVM can be had for pretty cheap these days, and is really much smaller than a second monitor

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lore · Post by **lore** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 5:05 pm

ah, i didn't know that , thanks for the tip !
do you have a model number? kvm website is huge

[ This Message was edited by: lore on 2004-10-19 18:07 ]

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:31 pm

I've been using one by StarTech for several years, no problems. You'll probably need a different model to use with Mac, but they have a wide variety on their website.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 8:45 pm

Ok, first of all, sorry for my sarcastic mood. i mean, if you have a pulsar II, and are going to "stick it in an office machine" (which made me think u already own a PC), why not use it for what it is worth?

IF you have a pc by now and consider moving to mac for Logic, well, my guess is that you can hook up both machines (be it pc/mac or mac-mac) with both midicables and, best of all, for an el cheapo sum, video! that way you can use both machines on the same monitor (no external boxes needed AFAIK, just besure one of your GFX cards has video input, or use some remote desktop thingy), and rune one of them in a window.

Nooooo need to waste DSP.

Tho i TOTALLY agree that it is time for OSX support. I thought SFP supported all windows versions when i bought mine (think it was 2.1). silly me.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 8:57 pm

On 2004-10-19 02:39, blazesboylan wrote:
Sorry Piddi, I have to agree with Lore and Melenko on this one.

I've been waiting a long time for CWA to come out with SFP for Linux. But since they don't have the software out yet, I'm going to buy an Ad Lib Gold, and hook my old CW cards up to a Palm Pilot so I can play Asteroids on my PDA with really cool sound effects.

Meanwhile I'll have a really powerful professional audio card to work with under Linux: the Ad Lib Gold. It has 8 voices of polyphony. And it even supports General Midi!!!

as wisippel has said a numerous times, simple audio drivers isnt the issue here (as for the Ad Lib, or any other SB16 comp card). if sound out is the thing you need, then that could be pretty easily done (tho u are prolly cheaper off buying a soundblaster).

It is the routing enviroment and scope PLATFORM that is the issue.

valis · Post by **valis** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 8:57 pm

but piddi, osX isn't a windows version...

As for the complexity of the routing...I dont' find it really dramatically more complex but I've been using SFP for a few years now and had my RME almost a year as well so routing things is fairly intuitive for me. I did put a lot of forethought into what I was doing before i changed my setup here though. There are some latency issues caused by the various software and hardware buffers (adat/SFP) but in learning about it I've learned to measure & compensate for pretty much any latency that enters my system and to be honest if I put a bit of thought into my routing I typically don't even have to worry about latency.

[ This Message was edited by: valis on 2004-10-19 21:58 ]

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 8:59 pm

On 2004-10-19 02:39, blazesboylan wrote:

Sorry Piddi, I have to agree with Lore and Melenko on this one.

I've been waiting a long time for CWA to come out with SFP for Linux. But since they don't have the software out yet, I'm going to buy an Ad Lib Gold, and hook my old CW cards up to a Palm Pilot so I can play Asteroids on my PDA with really cool sound effects.

Meanwhile I'll have a really powerful professional audio card to work with under Linux: the Ad Lib Gold. It has 8 voices of polyphony. And it even supports General Midi!!!

as wisippel has said a numerous times, simple audio drivers isnt the issue here (as for the Ad Lib, or any other SB16 comp card). if sound out is the thing you need, then that could be pretty easily done (tho u are prolly cheaper off buying a soundblaster).

It is the routing enviroment and scope PLATFORM that is the issue.

and yes i got the irony

[ This Message was edited by: piddi on 2004-10-19 22:00 ]

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:03 pm

damn u valis, now i cant delete my double post

nice chatting with you yho

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:08 pm

On 2004-10-19 21:59, piddi wrote:
u are prolly cheaper off buying a soundblaster

SOUNDBLASTER SUX

I'm gonna buy a MOTU card instead

melenko · Post by **melenko** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:26 am

Hello Astroman,
my point of view is, wsippel gave us news,
in april,thanks to him,i've decided to wait
for sfp on osx, but at the moment(21/10/04),
i think it is normal i aske myself "are they
still developping that os, or not", do i have to wait 2-3-4 months or 2 years.
And so, receiving, from "time to time",a news
from CW, would demonstrate they take care
of their customers, that's all.
I wrote it several times, i like the system,
but first of all, i will move under osx,anyway, for obvious reasons.

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 1:23 pm

Wsippel doesn't work for CreamWare.

The OSX port is a community project. Although CreamWare is likely guilty of holding the project up, they are not doing the project nor are they reporting on it.

Most of the announcements Wsippel made were: "We are looking for developers".

To the best of my knowledge, no OSX develoeprs have ever come forward to offer their assistance to the community project.

Now I don't mind when people complain about legitimate beefs with CreamWare. But it seems to me silly to report to the Announcements forum that you're ditching CreamWare because you're impatient for a 3rd party OSX port and you misread and/or misinterpreted Willie's posts as imminent release notices.

And just in case you've forgotten the start of this very thread:

... There is absolutely no release date atm for these drivers... but they will work at them definitly

But that still needs time.. they work hard but CW is very small now... only a few programmers now after the insolvency so some things take longer than expected... They apologize for that.

The Grump has spoken. Flame away,

Johann