Motherboard (Asus P4C800E - Deluxe) or Chipset Problem

Scott Majestik · Post by **Scott Majestik** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:50 am

Like many people on here I cannot for the life of me get a stable system using the above motherboard, I have used every possible configuartion available and I am no better off than when I started.

So what I want to know is does scope have a problem with that type of motherboard or is it a problem with the Intel 875 chipset ???

The reason I ask is that I am considering changing my mobo to an Intel D875PBZ as I don't seem to be able to find anyone who has a problem using that board.

However if it is a problem with the chipset and not a specific Asus board then my problems may still remain.

I have spent thousands on getting a top quality system and I can get more than 15 mintues work done at a time without stuttering, glitches annoying me to hell.

So my final option is to get an Intel D875PBZ. It would only mean me chaging the mobo as my current RAM and CPU an be used.

All thoughts are welcomed.

[ This Message was edited by: Scott Majestik on 2004-06-11 02:51 ]

dbmac · Post by **dbmac** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:06 am

I use that board and 2 CW cards (Scope + SRB)and it all works great. You have a configuration or hardware conflict somewhere.
In fact, I switched to this board from an Intel D875PBZ because of problems I was having with the Intel.
You've probably already gone through this, but if you list your system details, maybe I can help troubleshoot.

/dave

Ricardo · Post by **Ricardo** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:22 am

Yes, we definitely need your system specs here, to even know where to start......

Scott Majestik · Post by **Scott Majestik** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:12 pm

Trust me there isn't a setup I haven't tried and failed with. My machine is: -

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Asus P4C800E - Deluxe
P4 2.8Ghz CPU 800FSB
1 Gig 400Mhz DDR Ram
Matrox P650 Graphics
Pulsar II (PCI Slot 1)
Scope SRB (PCI Slot 3)
Windows XP Home (Standard PC Mode)
Cubase SX 2
Scope 4.0

The system has been tweaked for audio

I have turned off all the additional devices in bios, audio, LAN, USB, Firewire

Everything has it's own IRQ.

One thing though is that I have disabled the firewire in the bios but it is still recognised when the machine boots up and windows still shows it. That has been disabled anyway

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:44 pm

Bad news: if you switch the position of your PCI cards, you need to reinstall Windows.

From MS:

"Windows XP cannot rebalance resources in the same way that Microsoft Windows 98 does. After PCI resources are set, they generally cannot be changed. If you change to an incorrect IRQ setting or I/O range for the bus that a device is on, Windows XP cannot compensate by rebalancing the resource that was assigned to that bus.
"

http://support.microsoft.com/default.as ... -US;314068

[ This Message was edited by: BingoTheClowno on 2004-06-11 13:46 ]

dbmac · Post by **dbmac** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:39 pm

Bingo, I think you're misinterpreting that article. If you change PCI slots for a device, it's the same as adding a new hardware device to your system - XP will install it as new hardware.

Scott - I highly recommend an ACPI installation for this motherboard. Unfortunately that is best done with a fresh XP installation, but you could try it with the Windows repair function (boot from XP cd, install/repair from recovery console). You'll have to redo all your tweaks after, but your software will still be intact.

I also suggest putting the Scope SRB in slot 5, which will share IRQ with the Pulsar in slot1, which is good.
The disabled firwire should not be showing up in Windows - something's wrong there. It may have something to do with being in Standard mode.

If your ram is dual channel, you may need to increase the voltage to 2.65v (2.5 is SPD default) - what brand of ram are you using?

Also - you've probably heard this before - disable bus mastering for the Matrox.

It's a bitch hearing others have no problem with the same configuration, but seriously, you don't have to switch motherboards to get this working.

Don't give up (yet).

/dave

siriusbliss · Post by **siriusbliss** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:12 pm

turn off USB in BIOS.
turn off onboard audio.
try putting boards in slots 1 and 5.
Let XP assign IRQ's.
moving cards to new slots doesn't require reinstall of XP (unless you try ACPI installation).

I'm running PulsarI/SRB/PowerSampler combo with no problems.

Scott Majestik · Post by **Scott Majestik** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:02 am

On 2004-06-11 14:39, dbmac wrote:
Scott - I highly recommend an ACPI installation for this motherboard. Unfortunately that is best done with a fresh XP installation, but you could try it with the Windows repair function (boot from XP cd, install/repair from recovery console). You'll have to redo all your tweaks after, but your software will still be intact.

I also suggest putting the Scope SRB in slot 5, which will share IRQ with the Pulsar in slot1, which is good.
The disabled firwire should not be showing up in Windows - something's wrong there. It may have something to do with being in Standard mode.

If your ram is dual channel, you may need to increase the voltage to 2.65v (2.5 is SPD default) - what brand of ram are you using?

Also - you've probably heard this before - disable bus mastering for the Matrox.

It's a bitch hearing others have no problem with the same configuration, but seriously, you don't have to switch motherboards to get this working.

Don't give up (yet).

/dave

I have tried installing the machine fresh in acpi multiprocessor, acpi pc mode. none worked.

I can't get the srb in slot 5 as it wont fit into the case. I have tried the srb in slot 1 and the pulsar in slot 5 but that didn't work either.

I am using crucial ram.

I don't think I have tried the diasble bus mastering for the matrox. How do you do that ???

Post by **garyb** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:10 am

control panel/system/device manager/graphics adaptor/settings or close to that...

dbmac · Post by **dbmac** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:42 am

Right-click on desktop, choose properties,
then settings/advanced/options...
Uncheck all options on this page, or at least the bus mastering one.

Hope this works.

/dave

fidox · Post by **fidox** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:06 am

hi,
just for inf.
i have bought today ASUS P4C800-DeluXe Mobo, didn't try it yet, but when i was in the store, the guy ask me which graphic card i have, and i said ATI,
because he said that they was having problems with Matrox cards, maybe you can try with other graphic card...

em, and i also want to ask if there isn't less space if AGP card is installed, then is so little space between AGP and PCI slot 1,
i also want to try to install in that order:
i have 2 x Luna 2 + Pulsar XTC, but i think XTC is little too long for slot 1, so can i install like this:

first Luna 2 in PCI slot 1
Pulsar XTC in PCI slot 5 and
second Luna 2 to PCI slot 4 (which is sharing irq with some other device, but i'll disable this , since i don't need to leave enable this device)

any other recommendations ?

thanks

matej

Ricardo · Post by **Ricardo** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:04 am

1)When you say a stable system, what do you mean? What happens? Do you get BSOD, error messages, what is your virtual memory and RAM?
2) I was always taught not to put important cards in PCI slot 1. Mine occupy 2,3 & 4, and I've never had a problem.
If others have a stable system on this MoBo, have you overlooked something. Have you tried your CWA hardware in another machine to see if they are faulty?
AFAIK there is no problem with the 875 chipset and CWA. In fact my dealer recommends this. (They also didn't recommend the 'deluxe' version of your MoBo)

I run Intel PBZ875
P4 2Gb
Matrox 550
1 Gb Kingston DDR RAM
P1, Luna 2 and SRB 2
Cubase SX
Dual boot WinXP Pro, one for audio only, in ACPI with NTFS file system
Generic firewire card in slot 5
2 Gb hard disk formatted for virtual memory
No USBs disabled at the mo.

Let us know,
Cheers

_________________
Ricardo (of the Clan 'Ricardo')

[ This Message was edited by: Ricardo on 2004-06-22 10:11 ]

darkstar · Post by **darkstar** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:40 pm

Hello guys,
I have problems with this mobo,but I don;t think it's bad mobo,I saw it in action,and it rocks,I just think that I have bad settings...
Anyway,my Luna is on pci 1(first after agp),in bios 1394 is disabled,raid is disabled(I have only one hdd),onboard audio is disabled,ht is enabled,I am running multiprocessor acpi...and I have very very high performance on 4 audio channels with basic magneto and reverb on them,and 2 vst,battery and b4....my vst performance in cubase sx2 is about 40%,and I think that is MUCH!
So,what I am doing wrong?
Thanks

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:09 am

what ulli setting?

darkstar · Post by **darkstar** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 2:40 pm

lowest,24 msec

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:02 pm

exactly the same issue like in our tests..
there was no way to slove this problem..

any ideas plantez?

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:14 pm

Setting any CW card in the PCI slot next to the AGP card is a bad ideea since most of the times it is being shared with the AGP slot. I think CW recomended using the first PCI slot but in reality the first PCI slot is at the bottom of the board.

AndreD · Post by **AndreD** » Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:16 pm

...read the mb manual...
slot 1 and 5 are shared. (imho)
that´s why i´m running my cards on them.
there is NO irq-sharing with other devices b.t.w.

best,
andre

I talked ours to the asus support (very friendly b.t.w.) to slove this issue.
@ least, we had to decide for the asus p4 p800 se with a better native performance.

[ This Message was edited by: AndreD on 2004-08-06 17:27 ]

sharcsound · Post by **sharcsound** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:09 am

quote:
'The disabled firwire should not be showing up in Windows - something's wrong there. It may have something to do with being in Standard mode.'

I have the same thing and I'm in ACPI mode.

sharcsound · Post by **sharcsound** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:36 am

I just downloaded the new ASUS BIOS version 1017 and it fixed the problem. Now firewire does not show up and take an IRQ and now my 3.2 Prescott is recognized. Now I don't run at 2.8Mz with Ratio fixed at 14, but 3.2Gz and a Ratio fixed at 16. I very pleased. I also installed XP service pack 2 today and find no extra problems running SCOPE. http://www.asuscom.de/support/bios/liveupdate.htm