hi everyone
i have posted this problem and i post it again in chance of anyone to help!
i have a 2.8 GHZ p4 hyper treathing,
1024 dual ddram
320 gb serial ata raid
875 asus deluxe mainboard
400w power
korg is40 controler
system
i have problem with LUNA II audio card
i install only windows XP on it, and then only the creamware drivers
after that when i enter midi data the system freezes with looped sound if something is played
i tryed everything from set channels to updatig bios and i have no my pc for 4 months!!!!!!!!!!!!
its strange cause i haid the same controler on my old machine p4 2.4 ghz processor and it never happend!
i also entered this forum cause i saw other guys that have the same problem!
i know i can work with usb midi but whu then i paid 450 euros for lunaII?
so i want to start a dicussion on
THE CREAMWARE MIDI DONT WORKS
now i know its probably from the 875 chipset
but shouldnt creamware fix that?
i emailed there support email but no one responce!
maybe theyre too busy on building a gsif2 driver that RME allready got??
so tell me how to fix that problem if you can please
other way i can say
CREAMWARE MIDI DONT WORKS!!!
i just need to say fiew things!
after spending fiew months in solving the problem i spend 4 months without making new song or anything
cause my computer was crashing
its not from the turn off hyperthreating its not from the midi controler its not from the in and out set up
its from the midi
so i bought myself a joystick-midi port cable and ive connected my keyboard and all is ok now
but im angy cause i lost my time because of this luna
on my previous pc no matter midi clock sending or anything stupid like that(cause midi information is like what?15kb?)
and now is ok
so i want to start a discusion everyone give your vote
is luna good card or is luna a bad card
my vote is:
Luna II is the most stupid card ever made i im verry sorry i bought it and ill never use creamware if its possible
NEVER!
p.s. if anyone have that freeze problem dont try to solve it!
just use other midi port
looks like luna are too stupid to make it good!
GIVE YOUR VOTE FOR SFP!
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siberiansun
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to answer your question "is luna a bad or good card" it actually IS a very good card.
next, i'm sorry to say that your problem seems to be host related.
CWA has NO chance of keeping up with compatibility for e v e r y mobo out there.
that's just plain impossible.
i really hope you find a solution cause when you do you WILL be satisfied with your Luna2.
next, i'm sorry to say that your problem seems to be host related.
CWA has NO chance of keeping up with compatibility for e v e r y mobo out there.
that's just plain impossible.
i really hope you find a solution cause when you do you WILL be satisfied with your Luna2.
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blazesboylan
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Do you still have your old machine? Is going back to it an option? Maybe not ideal but... Practical is always better than ideal IMHO.its strange cause i haid the same controler on my old machine p4 2.4 ghz processor and it never happend!
Incidentally your old machine is nicer than my "new" one (P4 1.8 with Win XP) -- and my Luna II works fantastically well.
That's my vote.
Good luck,
Johann
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luna II / Pulsar II wouldnt make any difference in midi compability as long as the problem is other things than his soundcard.
As i said earlier i have been using my 2 Luna II cards for a long time now, and its working fine. I guess a lot of other users are doing this as well.
Is luna II good or bad? well, its good.
As i said earlier i have been using my 2 Luna II cards for a long time now, and its working fine. I guess a lot of other users are doing this as well.
Is luna II good or bad? well, its good.
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hubird
sorry to say this SlideDexter, but why do you use those alarming capitals in the subjects of your posts?
You're not the only one with a problem, even if you say it's CWA's problem
Anyway, I hope you can fix it, let repair it or sell it, I think a Luna2 should be as good as a any Pulsar2.
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You're not the only one with a problem, even if you say it's CWA's problem
Anyway, I hope you can fix it, let repair it or sell it, I think a Luna2 should be as good as a any Pulsar2.
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hi!
you said you have USB Midi ?
i think we have the same "problems", but i'm gonna change that soon, buying used old synth with midi in + out...
My configuration is similar to yours:
intel p4 2.8HT
mobo - intel 865PERL
2+ 256mb 400Mhz
cubase + sfp4
i was working last few days with music production and when using USB midi controller everything freezes quite fast, sometimes later, but anyway, i have tried to re-install sfp4 back to 3.1, this was not a problem,
then i have disable HT in bios, that was also not a problem, so finally today i have
disable USB midi IN in Cubase MME setup and from then i think works normal...
I was already suspicious to USB midi, since when i have recorded notes in Cubase, they didn't recorded right, there was delay and strange behaviour,
disable USB midi and try something to do just with mouse, like I must do right now....
i hope it helps and don't talk like that about CW, those cards are the best, great quaility for recording, phat synths and effects ,really awsome....
matej
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you said you have USB Midi ?
i think we have the same "problems", but i'm gonna change that soon, buying used old synth with midi in + out...
My configuration is similar to yours:
intel p4 2.8HT
mobo - intel 865PERL
2+ 256mb 400Mhz
cubase + sfp4
i was working last few days with music production and when using USB midi controller everything freezes quite fast, sometimes later, but anyway, i have tried to re-install sfp4 back to 3.1, this was not a problem,
then i have disable HT in bios, that was also not a problem, so finally today i have
disable USB midi IN in Cubase MME setup and from then i think works normal...
I was already suspicious to USB midi, since when i have recorded notes in Cubase, they didn't recorded right, there was delay and strange behaviour,
disable USB midi and try something to do just with mouse, like I must do right now....
i hope it helps and don't talk like that about CW, those cards are the best, great quaility for recording, phat synths and effects ,really awsome....
matej
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Hello
When I use HT with my mobo P4P800 2.6ghz. I saw many syncsources under samplerate settings that I dont have install. When I try to use these devices the pc freeze too. So I switch back to no HT and everything work fine. I use 2 luna2, 1 pulsar1 and 1 adatexpansion for the luna. I think sfp dont use any HT features.
mikecw
When I use HT with my mobo P4P800 2.6ghz. I saw many syncsources under samplerate settings that I dont have install. When I try to use these devices the pc freeze too. So I switch back to no HT and everything work fine. I use 2 luna2, 1 pulsar1 and 1 adatexpansion for the luna. I think sfp dont use any HT features.
mikecw
However sx/nuendo's reliability issues with dual cpu machines and its problems with using directsound Emulated drivers rather than the physical drivers are well documented. Both result in timing issues and the dual cpu issues cause IRQL errors with many soundcards (not just creamware).
Many (most?all?) of the people complaining about the lack of HT with Creamware cards seem to be Cubase users who think they're missing a huge benefit. My experience using Steinberg software on a dual cpu machine (which was built for Nuendo initially) has shown that regardless of the increase in performance the stability issues just weren't worth it. The only cards I have seen work 100% in all cases are made by RME and Lynx. Keep in mind that Lynx was everyone's favorite adat card until Steinberg decided to start marketing RME hardware as its own.
I would suggest at the very least opting for stability over the theoretical 10-15% improvement with HT. Also I would be curious to hear from someone using another app and having HT issues (I'm not sure if Sonar qualifies as there are creamware WDM issues and Sonar ASIO issues.)
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Many (most?all?) of the people complaining about the lack of HT with Creamware cards seem to be Cubase users who think they're missing a huge benefit. My experience using Steinberg software on a dual cpu machine (which was built for Nuendo initially) has shown that regardless of the increase in performance the stability issues just weren't worth it. The only cards I have seen work 100% in all cases are made by RME and Lynx. Keep in mind that Lynx was everyone's favorite adat card until Steinberg decided to start marketing RME hardware as its own.
I would suggest at the very least opting for stability over the theoretical 10-15% improvement with HT. Also I would be curious to hear from someone using another app and having HT issues (I'm not sure if Sonar qualifies as there are creamware WDM issues and Sonar ASIO issues.)
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Hey Dexter,
I can understand the way you feel right now.
When these kind of things happen it can really blow your mind.
I myself am a pulsar1 user for about 5 or 6 years now, and used it with 3 different PCs. I've had my share of problems with each and every one of them and also every time I change software.
BUT there's a big but...
These problems are almost always due to improper settings/driver (that is if you take care to build your DAW with the best parts...).
And when you solve these problems you find yourself with the best virtual digital studio (in my opinion). Great sound, virtualy endless possibilties.
Also its rare to find a piece of hardware that stays relevant for so long. after 6 years my Pulsar1 is still very much alive and kicking! (my older pcs sure couldn't keep up, and also akai sampler and roland groovebox - all out of date within 2 years max).
Is it perfect? far from it.
a lot of improovment could be made as for compatibility and software bugs, but inspite all this CW cards are by far superior to most competition out there.
This is my vote : Excelant!
I'd keep on trying to work out that problem. its worth it.
(that is exactly what I'm doing now as I'm not yet over ASIO issue with cubase, but thanks to this great forum (especialy Plato), I'm getting progress every day).
Cheer up, Mate
Theres no problem that can't be solved.
I can understand the way you feel right now.
When these kind of things happen it can really blow your mind.
I myself am a pulsar1 user for about 5 or 6 years now, and used it with 3 different PCs. I've had my share of problems with each and every one of them and also every time I change software.
BUT there's a big but...
These problems are almost always due to improper settings/driver (that is if you take care to build your DAW with the best parts...).
And when you solve these problems you find yourself with the best virtual digital studio (in my opinion). Great sound, virtualy endless possibilties.
Also its rare to find a piece of hardware that stays relevant for so long. after 6 years my Pulsar1 is still very much alive and kicking! (my older pcs sure couldn't keep up, and also akai sampler and roland groovebox - all out of date within 2 years max).
Is it perfect? far from it.
a lot of improovment could be made as for compatibility and software bugs, but inspite all this CW cards are by far superior to most competition out there.
This is my vote : Excelant!
I'd keep on trying to work out that problem. its worth it.
(that is exactly what I'm doing now as I'm not yet over ASIO issue with cubase, but thanks to this great forum (especialy Plato), I'm getting progress every day).
Cheer up, Mate
Theres no problem that can't be solved.
sorry, but i was answering too quick, even with USB midi disable i get everything locked, before i finished track i was restarting 5-6 times or more in about 5 hours or so....
could there be a problem with my new configuration and Cubase + sfp4 or maybe
with CW synths (minimax,prodyssey) , i don't
remember so many crashes with my older comp.configuration...
but i didn't totally disable USB , just for Cubase, should i try also another sequencer maybe ?
thanks
matej
could there be a problem with my new configuration and Cubase + sfp4 or maybe
with CW synths (minimax,prodyssey) , i don't
remember so many crashes with my older comp.configuration...
but i didn't totally disable USB , just for Cubase, should i try also another sequencer maybe ?
thanks
matej
Well my vote - The Scope environment is absolutely fantastic + I totally love it 
BUT I think you need the extra DSP power of an SRB to really make it shine.......
It has so much potential that I imagine owning just one Luna could be quite frustrating - you simply won't have the power to see just how good it can be.....
maybe that's something that new buyers should be made more aware of?
BUT I think you need the extra DSP power of an SRB to really make it shine.......
It has so much potential that I imagine owning just one Luna could be quite frustrating - you simply won't have the power to see just how good it can be.....
maybe that's something that new buyers should be made more aware of?
I'm with Plato's opinion 100% - what would I do without SFP ? 
just integrated the old Yamaha SXP90 into the routing, so i can a/b compare it to the latest and greatest plate reverbs
but P4 s*cks (imho) - I currently have to set up a database machine and I know the app to replace from inside out. The original runs on a P2 with 233 MHZ - a > 10 times lower clock than the machine right beside me.
The performance of the P4 is a joke - no wonder Intel abandoned the design (if I remember right)...
cheers, tom
just integrated the old Yamaha SXP90 into the routing, so i can a/b compare it to the latest and greatest plate reverbs
but P4 s*cks (imho) - I currently have to set up a database machine and I know the app to replace from inside out. The original runs on a P2 with 233 MHZ - a > 10 times lower clock than the machine right beside me.
The performance of the P4 is a joke - no wonder Intel abandoned the design (if I remember right)...
cheers, tom
Hi SlideDexter,
do you talk about only the Luna connected to a masterkeyboard, or is there any kind of sequenzing - software between ( maybe Logic Audio ) ?
Write to rb@creamware.de, because there's not the time for me, to visit this forum day by day.
cheers
Ralf
do you talk about only the Luna connected to a masterkeyboard, or is there any kind of sequenzing - software between ( maybe Logic Audio ) ?
Write to rb@creamware.de, because there's not the time for me, to visit this forum day by day.
cheers
Ralf
On 2004-06-05 20:32, SlideDexter wrote:
hi everyone
i have posted this problem and i post it again in chance of anyone to help!
i have a 2.8 GHZ p4 hyper treathing,
1024 dual ddram
320 gb serial ata raid
875 asus deluxe mainboard
400w power
korg is40 controler
system
i have problem with LUNA II audio card
i install only windows XP on it, and then only the creamware drivers
after that when i enter midi data the system freezes with looped sound if something is played
i tryed everything from set channels to updatig bios and i have no my pc for 4 months!!!!!!!!!!!!
its strange cause i haid the same controler on my old machine p4 2.4 ghz processor and it never happend!
i also entered this forum cause i saw other guys that have the same problem!
i know i can work with usb midi but whu then i paid 450 euros for lunaII?
so i want to start a dicussion on
THE CREAMWARE MIDI DONT WORKS
now i know its probably from the 875 chipset
but shouldnt creamware fix that?
i emailed there support email but no one responce!
maybe theyre too busy on building a gsif2 driver that RME allready got??
so tell me how to fix that problem if you can please
other way i can say
CREAMWARE MIDI DONT WORKS!!!
i just need to say fiew things!
after spending fiew months in solving the problem i spend 4 months without making new song or anything
cause my computer was crashing
its not from the turn off hyperthreating its not from the midi controler its not from the in and out set up
its from the midi
so i bought myself a joystick-midi port cable and ive connected my keyboard and all is ok now
but im angy cause i lost my time because of this luna
on my previous pc no matter midi clock sending or anything stupid like that(cause midi information is like what?15kb?)
and now is ok
so i want to start a discusion everyone give your vote
is luna good card or is luna a bad card
my vote is:
Luna II is the most stupid card ever made i im verry sorry i bought it and ill never use creamware if its possible
NEVER!
p.s. if anyone have that freeze problem dont try to solve it!
just use other midi port
looks like luna are too stupid to make it good!
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darkstar
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Brother,I have same problem here!
But hey,with anger you will get nothing.
I think you are don't understanding difference between luna and pulsars:luna have SAME quality of recording,but pulsar have more in-outs,more plugins,and 6 DSP chips vs 3 that you have on your luna.But,if you,like me,need good input and good sound,it is SAME as pulsar!I have same problems,asus p4c800e deluxe,3.0 box,and 1 gb of ram,but I don't doubt that luna is bad card!I believe that this is bug that WILL be fixed,and that solution is out there.
So,if I discover something,I will post here...
regards
But hey,with anger you will get nothing.
I think you are don't understanding difference between luna and pulsars:luna have SAME quality of recording,but pulsar have more in-outs,more plugins,and 6 DSP chips vs 3 that you have on your luna.But,if you,like me,need good input and good sound,it is SAME as pulsar!I have same problems,asus p4c800e deluxe,3.0 box,and 1 gb of ram,but I don't doubt that luna is bad card!I believe that this is bug that WILL be fixed,and that solution is out there.
So,if I discover something,I will post here...
regards
I'd agree complately. I should point out that in 1999 & 2000 I was completely unable to use my original Pulsar1 unless I wanted to boot into win98 on my dual p3 machine (and lose my scsi card and a few other niceties in the process as well).
Eventually Creamware released a 2.04 'beta' release of driver when Win2000 came along, and I was 'sort of' able to use my Pulsar1 in my normal working chain. However for about another 6-9 months I would get really nasty BSOD's and it was pretty much down to the Creamware drivers. This continued all the way through 3.01.
When 3.1a came out everything was fixed! Its now 2-3 years later and I've got a Pulsar1 & Pulsar2 with almost all the stock Creamware plugins and Orbitone & Flexor stuff in my bag as well.
Basically when we were having problems, a group of us constantly kept documenting what we experienced and eventually someone (subhuman?) was contacted by CW support and we sent in system specs. I would assume they then built their own dual system and debugged everything and things have worked great ever since. So anger won't get you anywhere, but I'd say that the problems with HT and active sensing both are being well documented here in the forums. Keep at it and hopefully CW will eventually have time to let their r&d staff have a go at fixing it.
Sorry I can't offer more but I've actually seen it work so I believe it still will
Eventually Creamware released a 2.04 'beta' release of driver when Win2000 came along, and I was 'sort of' able to use my Pulsar1 in my normal working chain. However for about another 6-9 months I would get really nasty BSOD's and it was pretty much down to the Creamware drivers. This continued all the way through 3.01.
When 3.1a came out everything was fixed! Its now 2-3 years later and I've got a Pulsar1 & Pulsar2 with almost all the stock Creamware plugins and Orbitone & Flexor stuff in my bag as well.
Basically when we were having problems, a group of us constantly kept documenting what we experienced and eventually someone (subhuman?) was contacted by CW support and we sent in system specs. I would assume they then built their own dual system and debugged everything and things have worked great ever since. So anger won't get you anywhere, but I'd say that the problems with HT and active sensing both are being well documented here in the forums. Keep at it and hopefully CW will eventually have time to let their r&d staff have a go at fixing it.
Sorry I can't offer more but I've actually seen it work so I believe it still will
I have the same problem than SlideDexter:
If I connect my Master keyboard to my Luna the computer crash invariably after a while.
I have a P4P800 motherboard with a P4 2.4GHz.
I have had this problem also with SFP 3.1c.
It would be great if a solution could be found for this problem because it’s more than annoying.
Thank you very much
CU
If I connect my Master keyboard to my Luna the computer crash invariably after a while.
I have a P4P800 motherboard with a P4 2.4GHz.
I have had this problem also with SFP 3.1c.
It would be great if a solution could be found for this problem because it’s more than annoying.
Thank you very much
CU