Well. I'm disappointed. Really.
I'll change board as soon as possible: CW is focused on plugins and SFP still has serious problems. Don't spend time to search problems, they are the same as the 3.1c, maybe some minor (and i mean *really* minor) bugfix.
I've some knowledge of driver development in Windows..that is:
same driver (and i say *SAME*!) as the v3.1c, same interfaces implementation, same use of them, same pool usage... need to continue?!
only a little faster (but not for me), maybe they load on-demand instead of caching at first time, but it's the same, old, bad and ugly story.
Registered users can download and "upgrade" for free: obviously, who would pay twice for the same (buggy) new-labelled-and-logo'ed product?
I'm really furious for this situation: i planned to buy more stuff from CW, but their lack of professionality is a wind of change for me.
I don't wanna anything for free, i would pay for something stable, but certainly i will never throw away my cents choosing Creamware another time.
This is what i think, but surely there are hundred of people who bought 3/4 CW cards and they are still in the same situation as 2 years ago.
My final word?
SFP4 = SFP31c.AddYears(2)
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I hear you man.. but take it from me, there is no comparable alternative. UAD1 and Powercore are cool in their own way, but they won't let you do half of what Creamware stuff lets you do.. Pro Tools HD is fucking expensive, and IMHO is not nearly as flexible. Soundscape is pretty dead.
My advice: cut down on the anger, forget about the update and get on with making music.. if you change platform out of anger at Creamware you are gonna be a lot worse off.
My advice: cut down on the anger, forget about the update and get on with making music.. if you change platform out of anger at Creamware you are gonna be a lot worse off.
despite of all problems with CW , i'm still in love with my cards, they are like my first love in my comp. and creating music and i have a lot of hardware so far, starting 13 years ago with roland RAP-10(general midi) and Gravis Ultrasound (512kb - for samples) with one 2 channel mixer...
about SFP4.0, i'm satisfied with it, nice new graphics, all is stable so far, have also 2 new plug-ins because of SFP4.0 for half price, which is even better, that can't happend every day
matej
about SFP4.0, i'm satisfied with it, nice new graphics, all is stable so far, have also 2 new plug-ins because of SFP4.0 for half price, which is even better, that can't happend every day
matej
whatever floats your boat. 3.1c was not perfect,but i know of nothing in the computer world that is perfect. one thing that could be said about 3.1c is that you could really do a lot of great work with it(if you had the knowledge and talent).
three things that could be said for 4.0 is that it is better than 3.1c. it is free. it comes with a nice 1/2 price plugin if you want it. this is really great behavior from a company in this day and age! i'm happy. even if it's not perfect.
three things that could be said for 4.0 is that it is better than 3.1c. it is free. it comes with a nice 1/2 price plugin if you want it. this is really great behavior from a company in this day and age! i'm happy. even if it's not perfect.
u r wrong. Time of insolvency wasn't when i registered on this forum.On 2004-04-24 12:12, valis wrote:
Notice that most of the posters showing this sentiment (free stuff, hating on CW, bla bla bla) all seem to have joined around the time of insolvency and typicaly have under 30 posts?
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It's pretty hard not to be disappointed.
The first s/w upgrade for a year and a half and there's nothing in it. Yes we all know it's a great product. But it's not maintaining its advantage. Part of the fun of technology is seeing it get better each year. We should expect and demand continuous improvement and not apologise for three year old bugs on the silent company's behalf. I won't be using my 50% discount until I really believe there's a future.
The first s/w upgrade for a year and a half and there's nothing in it. Yes we all know it's a great product. But it's not maintaining its advantage. Part of the fun of technology is seeing it get better each year. We should expect and demand continuous improvement and not apologise for three year old bugs on the silent company's behalf. I won't be using my 50% discount until I really believe there's a future.
Wasn't a specific allegation to you, just an observation that a lot of the complaints seem to be coming from people who rarely posted before and I think it still applies. The few posts you've made were mostly in regards to complaints about lack of support for HT.
I do remember you getting a response from CW claiming that sfp4.0 would be coming and in response to an email you sent them:
http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... 32&forum=1
As a dual cpu user who waited for 2 years to be able to use his $1000 cards in his 'new' machines (duals) rather in than some old bucket of parts (which is what I had been doing) I can tell u that its not always been a dream experience for myself either. But we eventually did get proper SMP support for SFP & the CW 2k/xp driver.
Unfortunately all I can say about that is that its not uncommon for companies who make technology, even large ones, to lag behind the 'curve' a bit. As computer users its obvious to us after 2-3 months that the 'latest' thing is it its way to being a new 'standard' in the computing world and in a year to a year in a half it will become 'everywhere'. Meanwhile companies like Creamware (and Roland, and NI etc etc) may STILL not have support for it. Look how long it took for USB devices to come to market. Now that, for example, USB Midi devices show poorer performance than the parallel/serial interfaces they've replaced you'd think someone would pioneer a Firewire interface but nope. Many product announcements for this 3 years ago but not a single one to market.
In any case to optimize for HT you're optimizing your software specifically for P4 systems from the last year or so (533 & 800mhz fsb) and only for WinXP (or 2k with sp4). Perhaps it seems silly for them to not immediately code for new technology, but rather than just giving up on CW I would continue to tell them that the vast majority of Cubase users will want HT support since Cubase now supports it and keep pushing them until it trickles up their priority stack.
Just a thought.
I do remember you getting a response from CW claiming that sfp4.0 would be coming and in response to an email you sent them:
http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... 32&forum=1
As a dual cpu user who waited for 2 years to be able to use his $1000 cards in his 'new' machines (duals) rather in than some old bucket of parts (which is what I had been doing) I can tell u that its not always been a dream experience for myself either. But we eventually did get proper SMP support for SFP & the CW 2k/xp driver.
Unfortunately all I can say about that is that its not uncommon for companies who make technology, even large ones, to lag behind the 'curve' a bit. As computer users its obvious to us after 2-3 months that the 'latest' thing is it its way to being a new 'standard' in the computing world and in a year to a year in a half it will become 'everywhere'. Meanwhile companies like Creamware (and Roland, and NI etc etc) may STILL not have support for it. Look how long it took for USB devices to come to market. Now that, for example, USB Midi devices show poorer performance than the parallel/serial interfaces they've replaced you'd think someone would pioneer a Firewire interface but nope. Many product announcements for this 3 years ago but not a single one to market.
In any case to optimize for HT you're optimizing your software specifically for P4 systems from the last year or so (533 & 800mhz fsb) and only for WinXP (or 2k with sp4). Perhaps it seems silly for them to not immediately code for new technology, but rather than just giving up on CW I would continue to tell them that the vast majority of Cubase users will want HT support since Cubase now supports it and keep pushing them until it trickles up their priority stack.
Just a thought.
Sir Well... I'm not a great poster of this forum but i always came here every day to read and check what's happen on this "scene"...
I just read what Dudez said and then.. Well I would like to say something
I got a PulsarII and other VST plugs using with Cubase, and I used Cubase in native mode from years.
For the first time I done with it something which sounds "professional", using SFP's mixer, effects and some synths i got a mix which sounds GREAT. Then i tried and the bought Optimaster and my final mix was printed exactly how I do it in my home studio. And it sounds PRO.
I don't care about minor bugs, I don't care too much about the solo switch doesn't work in Optimaster... I'm so happy cause with my SFP I can work great and now I'm a PRO.
So I know and i can understand CW, after all their problems, about SFP 4.
Yes, probably this is only a "new logo version", they need to do it for their new CWA image I think, and i can understand it.
Btw I work GREAT with SFP 3.1c too.
So I'm happy, I'm happy cause it works, I'm happy cause CWA is alive amd I'm happy cause I can do great thing with my Pulsars.
So thanx CW, thanx CWA and welcome back.
I have all the patience you need to better improve this GREAT system you made.
Keep up this great work.
P.s.: For who is thinking to change their board.. I also got a Powercore: try X3 vs Optimaster and you have the reason which can worth to buy a Pulsar only for it.
I just read what Dudez said and then.. Well I would like to say something
I got a PulsarII and other VST plugs using with Cubase, and I used Cubase in native mode from years.
For the first time I done with it something which sounds "professional", using SFP's mixer, effects and some synths i got a mix which sounds GREAT. Then i tried and the bought Optimaster and my final mix was printed exactly how I do it in my home studio. And it sounds PRO.
I don't care about minor bugs, I don't care too much about the solo switch doesn't work in Optimaster... I'm so happy cause with my SFP I can work great and now I'm a PRO.
So I know and i can understand CW, after all their problems, about SFP 4.
Yes, probably this is only a "new logo version", they need to do it for their new CWA image I think, and i can understand it.
Btw I work GREAT with SFP 3.1c too.
So I'm happy, I'm happy cause it works, I'm happy cause CWA is alive amd I'm happy cause I can do great thing with my Pulsars.
So thanx CW, thanx CWA and welcome back.
I have all the patience you need to better improve this GREAT system you made.
Keep up this great work.
P.s.: For who is thinking to change their board.. I also got a Powercore: try X3 vs Optimaster and you have the reason which can worth to buy a Pulsar only for it.
I agree with Venuz, creamware hard and soft sound pro very pro.
I´m a cubase user since Atari times, and i own some hardware synths and native pluggins synth and effects, but now I almost don´t use it, but my CW system and pluggs use all the time and in all projects, only try this... Put Vinco in an insert of mixer channel, conect this channel to an a mic preamp and just plug the mic and record it with an asio 24 or 32 in nuendo, cubase, etc..
Listen the diference with any other card for record and smile...you are at million of miles from all the others.
This is a good pro job.
Viva creamware.
I´m a cubase user since Atari times, and i own some hardware synths and native pluggins synth and effects, but now I almost don´t use it, but my CW system and pluggs use all the time and in all projects, only try this... Put Vinco in an insert of mixer channel, conect this channel to an a mic preamp and just plug the mic and record it with an asio 24 or 32 in nuendo, cubase, etc..
Listen the diference with any other card for record and smile...you are at million of miles from all the others.
This is a good pro job.
Viva creamware.
What I think is the most interesting thing is the history of the SFP4 software. It was first announced to be avalible in September 2003 the latest - so everyone waited. When the release date came CW was in insolvency - so nothing came. At that time people here at Planetz thought there was some serious programming going on at CW regarding the SFP 4, and that would explain the delay of the release. Well in January Frank talks about a "possible SFP 4" in his post - a little surprize for me at least. Then later on we learn that OS X support is well on way, but will not be moved any further by CW - resulting in open source group porting it to the UNIX-Linux-OSX platforms.
Well - it seems then that the SFP programming work was actually much shorter on it's way before the insolvency than most of us thought. The reason could be the effort for the failed OSX support or the NOAH OS programming. Anyhow I dont't think this is a reason for panicking - SFP platform has it's bugs - some quite boring, not fixed in this release. It is however normal to expect some changes when a softwere goes up a whole number (as a general rule in this buisness). It is also a general practise to include list over new and fixed functions with a new software release. So to sum this up - the new SFP 4 is probably just a facelift without any big changes or even bugfixes - and the decision to release it was taken recently. BUT it's still working well (mostly) and is a great piece of software - so I think I will give it a change and wait a little longer for the fixes and hopefully other progresses as well...
Well - it seems then that the SFP programming work was actually much shorter on it's way before the insolvency than most of us thought. The reason could be the effort for the failed OSX support or the NOAH OS programming. Anyhow I dont't think this is a reason for panicking - SFP platform has it's bugs - some quite boring, not fixed in this release. It is however normal to expect some changes when a softwere goes up a whole number (as a general rule in this buisness). It is also a general practise to include list over new and fixed functions with a new software release. So to sum this up - the new SFP 4 is probably just a facelift without any big changes or even bugfixes - and the decision to release it was taken recently. BUT it's still working well (mostly) and is a great piece of software - so I think I will give it a change and wait a little longer for the fixes and hopefully other progresses as well...