A d&b song using Pulsar II

asktoby · Post by **asktoby** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 8:17 am

This file has expired and is no longer available here. The owner of the topic can re-upload the file, or post a link to an off-site file. <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Genre: Drum & Bass <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Uses: Plasma Resonator BlueSynth EDS8i Distortion S Inferno Amphetamine fun-sync Phaser S High Cut S Overdrive Low Cut S Compressor S Distortion M copyright © YYYY Toby Newman _____________________________________ This is the first tune I've uploaded here. I'd really appreciate any comments, criticism or praise!

Post by **hubird** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 10:58 am

nice track, Asktoby

BTW, I think you should mention somewhere on your site the ringplug is just for windows, or is it not?
cheerz.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 10:25 pm

If I'm not wroing, you are using Anphetamine Synth, aren't you?

I does groovy to me

Love the bass and this DJ effect it goes through

asktoby · Post by **asktoby** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 3:12 am

You're quite right Hubird, I've added "windows" to my site as you advised.

Thanks for the comments Nestor, yes I am using Amphetamine (for the high-pitched screaming "waaaah waaaaaaaaaah" siren-type lead). The other lower lead is a combination of Inferno and plasma, with about a billion effects on top!

I guess by the DJ-style effects you mean things like high-pass filtering the signal up to a crecendo and then putting the bass back in? Or perhaps you mean the gating of the signal before the "drop", where it sounds like the DJ is pushing the volume up and down in time to the music:
"thud, thud, thud, thud: Drop!"

AudioIrony · Post by **AudioIrony** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 8:29 am

I really enjoyed this, some nice original ideas and well mixed.

Just my own personal taste, but I would have liked to have heard a lot dirtier sounds, especially on that bass riff. Maybe some bit-crusher effects just dotted here and there - not too much, especially in the more syncopated sections.

Anyway, really liked your ideas and thanks for sharing.
Cheers

mr swim · Post by **mr swim** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:13 am

good track.

Only one criticism (if that) - I'm not sure what it sounded like on your speakers, but I thought it could definitely have a louder / bassier kick. And maybe a sub-bass following the bassline sometimes, to give it a little extra umph.

Anyway great tune, cheers,

Will.

Post by **Neil B** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 4:51 am

VERY impressive. I like this a lot. What stands out to me is the attention to detail that you've put into it musically and in terms of patches used. Great balance.

asktoby · Post by **asktoby** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 9:29 am

>> I thought it could definitely have a louder / bassier kick. And maybe a sub-bass following the bassline sometimes, to give it a little extra umph.

Yeah, I take your point. It was mixed on Genelec 2029as with a sub, but in a horrible little box room. I've listened to it on a few other systems now:

Genelecs:Sound great, as long as you sit in the right part of the room.
Cheap HiFi in the lounge:Sounds well balanced
Nice headphones:Overbright, lacks bottom end.
OEM Car stereo:Sounds very lacking in bass, unless you turn it up to high volume, when it sounds really good.

It's so difficult to get the bass levels correct!

re: the quiet kick drum, I've tried listening to a load of D&B and very often the kick drum is tiny. No boom to it, just a little "thup" to let you know where the beginning of the bar is.

It's great to be able to chat with you folks about this stuff!

Post by **Neil B** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 10:01 am

I have exactly the same problem with my own tracks:
Car hi-fi - nice for listening but not special (Fiat standard speakers !!! )
Hi-fi in lounge - usually too bass
Hi-fi in wife's studio - spacious but not too powerful
Headphones - only use for general mix and balancing the stereo field.
Studio monitors - best really, but I have to raise my chair height when I'm up to the final mix stage.
Ask friends to try on their hi-fis - weeks pass by without a response.

So I sympathise. Still a great track though.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 10:24 am

I think we all have problems with the bass depth, that is why is is a good idea to go the the maths, and get to it. There are quite a fuew instructions about it in some good sites about mixing, giving you advice about FREQUENCIES. To be capable of giving by ear the right frequence for it to sound perfect in EVERY system, it is just asking too much, it is in fact imposible.

Nevertheless, I have heard some mixes which stand out of the rest, becuase they sound incredibly well in little radios, in mono TVs, in HI-FI systems, and in multimedia speakers. It is amazing how they can do it. Well, the secret is not HOW MUCH BASS they include, but WHERE they sit their frequencies.

In most cases, if you want to do what they call a "UNIVERSAL MIX", you simply can't mix going to the very bottom of the renge, you need to make your bass sound deep, but just enough for it to be heard in a little radio.

I know about big expensive studios using most crapy speakers, as a way to alternate between the big Makies they have, leastening what people leasten at home.

A good idea, if you come to do a serious job, or you plan to make a mass reproduction of your music, is to gather an important number of speakers, no less than 6:
* a mono TV set

* a HI-FI big system

* a cheap, bad quality HI-FI system

* a little radio (mono)

* a CD player with mono out, trying through it different speakers.
* * a pair of multimedia speakers

Then you should go around visiting people, trying your CD in different places because it can sound totally different, like:

* a little room

* a large room

* open spaces

* cars

* headphones

* a party, a meal, things like this. You can even ask to a restaurant or something like that, to put your music for a few minuts to see what's up. I've mede it and it revealed me relevant information about my mix.

Thalamus · Post by **Thalamus** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 8:35 pm

Wow, I like the energi on this track. Cool drums too + supernice filtering work. Do you use alot of gating?

I must agree to the others statements about week bass. But besides that the mix is pretty good.

If I have to critize anything, it would be that the mix sounds very mono and narrow. Could use some ambience of some kind or stereo widener.

lexfx · Post by **lexfx** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 11:20 am

Hello Toby, I hope everthing is cool...

This is a good track, nice and clean. I like that bassline, it sounds like a spitfire in a dog fight!

But that kick is definately too quiet - if you listen to most DnB tracks, the kick bounces along over the top of the bass...but i also think that the snare kind of gets lost, so perhaps the bass is too loud?

Also, most DnB tracks add (or remove) layers of drums/percussion with the coming (or going) of different sections...

But its a good track...and keep an eye out, 'cos i should be posting something here soon...

Alex

and i almost forgot...shout dave and the crew for me...

[ This Message was edited by: lexfx on 2004-01-18 12:06 ]

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:30 am

Interesting track - good sounds and quite hypnotic. I thought everything flowed in together very well. Nicely crafted.